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submitted 9 hours ago by Tychoxii@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

What with all the layoffs across the games industry to compensate for rampant budgetary overspending in publishing, the reality behind keeping retro games within a paid walled garden is about charging new money for old rope and controlling the market to force gamers to play new games.

The specific quote is that “there would be a significant risk that preserved video games would be used for recreational purposes.”

This explains why people like Jim Ryan hate retro games. They think these older games would cannibalize sales from newer releases, which is uniquely stupid.

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[-] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 10 points 5 hours ago

Time to get off my ass and grab as many roms and isos as I can before they actually manage to scrub them for good.

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago

Any guidance for where to do such a thing? Seems like a lot of the retro stuff would be small enough to store locally without an issue, might as well grab it while it's possible

[-] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

There's quite a few good places to download ROMs from:

Vimm's Lair have a lot of games, but downloads are slow.

The GitHub hosted page from r/roms megathread is great and have a lot of stuff with direct downloads, it is the most complete and has basically anything you might want.

Archive.org page of ROMs verified to work with RetroAchievements. (If you're lost and don't know how to access or download the ROMs, just click the show all button on the right. You'll probably need an account to download anything tho).

NoPayStation for PSP, PSVITA and PS3 games, updates and DLC. It downloads content directly from Sony's CDN.

WiiUDownloader for Wii U games, updates and DLC. It downloads content directly from Nintendo's CDN.

NXBrew for Switch games. I'm not a big fan of this one, but it's the best one I found. I just suggest you use uBlock Origin and ViolentMonkey with this script if you want to use this one.

I think that's basically it. I have been downloading a bunch of ROMs lately, so that's basically all I have gathered so far.

Now for storage, it only really becomes a problem with PS3, Xbox 360 and Switch games since there are a lot of really big games there. And the worst part if that you can't really compress these games right now, so, big storage is the only solution.

For other systems, you can usually compress .cue and .iso files into .chd files and most emulators will work with it. If you do a little research you'll find more about this.

Gamecube and Wii games can be compressed into .rvz files inside the Dolphin emulator.

And there's also DS and 3DS games where you can't compress, but you can trim the ROMs since it usually contain a lot of garbage data that is useless to running the game, just don't use it on ROM Hacks, because it might make them stop working.

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago

There's also cdromance which in addition to just roms also has pre-patched roms with mods, hacks, fan translations, undubs, etc

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

torrents are a great way to grab entire catalogues of vintage games

I recently grabbed every NES/SNES/N64 game ever published in about two hours

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 22 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The state of this industry really gets to me. I don't even hardly game anymore. I've broken my brain so badly I can't seem to enjoy them without a constant looming existential dread that I'm failing to do other more important things.

But I learned to code when I was a fucking TODDLER and all I EVER WANTED was to join a studio and make sick ass games. Then the EA Spouses letter was released and I realised that the dream would in actuality be a goddamn nightmare. Then I learned even more, about capitalism and work and life has been one miserable fucking slog without even my old comfort of gaming to soothe my intrusive sense of fucking failure.

Fuck them. Pirate everything. If you take it, it is yours. stirner-cool

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 20 points 7 hours ago

I put down my emulation handheld that runs up to ps2 and some wii games to type this comment

[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 17 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

They think these older games would cannibalize sales from newer releases, which is uniquely stupid.

It's only stupid when it's only RETRO-RETRO games, like from the N64 backwards. Yeah I might spend some time on a retro game but they're usually very short and they're probably not gonna scratch the itch of a modern game, though for JRPGs that might not be the case.

But when we talk about from the ps2 onwards? Yeah sometimes I play one of the many many many 6th gen games instead of buying a recently released game at full price.

It's obvious that they just don't want to start the process of making old legally inaccessible game freely available, because then we could start with Retro games and then move forwards into games that DO bite into new game sales.

Either way emulation is always available, so I'm not losing sleep over this.

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Video game industry as always trailblazing for all the worst reasons. But sure some pronouns, a minority and a woman in games is the problem. Got mfs paying 10s of thousands on diablo immortal, will end up getting adverts every 5 minutes in a triple A game like crusty mobile games but they'll still whine about a minority even in non speaking roles. Gamers do this to themselves I swear i-cant

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 24 points 8 hours ago

Yeah good luck suing roms off the internet because it's never going to happen. People are going to want to play retro games in the same way that readers enjoy the classics.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 12 points 7 hours ago

good luck suing roms off the internet

Yep. They tried for years and failed while the law was on their side. The laws might change but the resilience of data is immutable. Sue one and five more sites pop up the next day. Archivers do it for love while these ghouls only care about money and line go up. They will always lose, so I don't understand why they continue picking this fight.

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 21 points 8 hours ago

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Aside from obvious stuff like, fuck IP and you aren't entitled to customers, there's also this:

Nobody makes these games anymore.

When I was a kid I loved Mega Man Battle Network. You know when they last released one? 2008.

I also loved Mega Man Legacy, last entry was in 2000.

They don't make these anymore.

The closest we've seen is One Step From Eden and it's a fast paced combat only roguelike from an indie studio. I still bought and enjoyed it, idk maybe if a major legacy studio would make games like the ones they don't want to let people access instead of timed dopamine release triggering addiction machines designed to sell loot boxes they wouldn't have to worry so much about "piracy."

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 26 points 7 hours ago

I think if copyright is going to exist you should have a requirement to make the copyrighted works available, otherwise you lose the copyright.

Copyright is supposed to be a temporary exclusive right to sell a work in order to profit from the production of the work. If you’re no longer selling it, you lose that right.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The audacity for these motherfuckers in executive positions to claim ownership of inaccessible media created by teams of workers who slaved out of love to produce these works, who did that work well before these executives got shuffled into this or that company, who failed to preserve access to the productive output of those workers who have no doubt long since been laid off or died of stress.

THESE GAMES ARENT THEIRS TO DICTATE TERMS OF ACCESS OVER. I DON'T CARE WHAT IP LAW SAYS. ITS ALL SP**KS (I meant it in the Stirner sense damnit) ANYWAY. stirner-cool

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

preserved video games would be used for recreational purposes

And what about those of us who use preserved video games for medicinal purposes huh? HUH? OH YEAH I'M TALKING ABOUT MENTAL ILLNESS LETS NOT BEAT AROUND THE BUSH YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE TREATS THAT KEEP US TOO BUSY TO ORGANISE, TO BUILD UNDERGROUND NETWORKS IN REAL LIFE INSTEAD OF IN VIDEO GAMES? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE FAVOURITE OUTLETS OF PEOPLE WITH FASTER TWITCH REFLEXES THAN YOUR PATHETIC SO-CALLED 'SPECIAL OPERATORS' AKA PUSSY ASS DUDES ITCHING FOR BOOK DEALS AND TALK SHOW INTERVIEWS WITH 5 MILLION DOLLARS OF TECH TO PROTECT THEM BUT STRICTLY MANDATED ONLY TO ACT ON FOREIGN SOIL?

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 10 points 7 hours ago

Good luck with that lol the global south is crawling with bootleggers who sell bootleg consoles packed with retro games all the time. I have a couple myself to play all the SNES, PS1, and Arcade classics.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic,removed apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

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