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submitted 5 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Summary

Reddit’s r/medicine moderators deleted a thread where doctors and users harshly criticized murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Comments, including satirical rejections of insurance claims for gunshot wounds, targeted UHC’s reputation for denying care to boost profits.

Despite the removal, similar discussions continue, with medical professionals condemning UHC’s business practices under Thompson’s leadership, which a Senate report recently criticized for denying post-acute care.

Thompson, shot in what appears to be a targeted attack, led a company notorious for its high claim denial rates, fueling ongoing debates about corporate ethics in healthcare.

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[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's kinda hilarious watching billionaire owned media try to suppress the fact that absolutely no one feels bad for the CEO. The same thing happened when some billionaires decided to visit the Titanic, and after the Trump assassination attempt. The memes afterwards were top notch

Everyone is so fed up with this country and the shit is this close 🤏🏼 to the fan

[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Nah dude, this shit finally hit the fan. Just wait. Terrorism works. Look at what bin Laden did to this country - is it not obvious to everyone alive before and after that he won? He wanted to destroy America and he did. What this was is an act of terrorism, and it’s going to work. Corrupt leaders all over the spectrum are getting nervous. Americans are armed to the teeth and pissed. It only takes a couple of lone wolves with intelligence and gun skills to do some major damage. And who doesn’t wanna be famous these days? I mean who doesn’t like this guy? I’d put him on the cover of time as person of the year. This is just the beginning of some very interesting times. I can’t believe it took this long.

And even more uplifting, this isn’t politically divisive. There isn’t going to be right vs left retribution over this. The entire political spectrum save for a few uppity pearl clutchers (mostly lib elites) are celebrating this.

[-] Akuchimoya@startrek.website 1 points 5 months ago

School shootings are just a matter of course now, they're not even newsworthy anymore unless there's an Uvalde-level of utter incompetence involved. And even then, what happened? Nothing, nothing happened to the cowards who were complicit and accomplices to the murder of children by actively preventing people from around the killer. We're told to get over it.

So, you know, if I had to choose between school children being murdered as a matter of course and evil profiteers who revel and flourish on the pain and suffering of everyday people being murdered as a matter of course, I'd definitely chose the latter. I wouldn't then tell people to get over it, I'd tell people the system obviously need to be dismantled and rebuilt entirely.

My real preference would be that there are no evil profiteers who revel and flourish on the pain and suffering and that systems be functioning for the people in the first place, but unfortunately that's not an option.

[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 0 points 5 months ago

I'm still absolutely flabbergasted at how quickly we all moved on from Trump literally getting clipped in an attempt on his life.

They tried to muster some outrage and solidarity, but most of us just shrugged and went, "Damn. Oh well, maybe next time."

[-] icecreamtaco@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The sympathy lasted two days. I was expecting maybe a week.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago
[-] icecreamtaco@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago
[-] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago

Found it hiding under the couch, but squashed it with my shoe real quick.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He didnt get clipped. He cut his hand on glass, on the ground, and didnt realize it, then transfered the blood to his head. Thats why his ear was miraculously fully recovered like a week later when he was caught on camera without bandages.

[-] Hellinabucket@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

No, it was just his superior genetics that allowed him to heal quicker than a normal person would.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Getting downvoted for an obvious sarcastic ribbing? For shame, Internet.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Then the next time came, and it was even more disappointing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

What was it the IRA told Thatcher? "You have to be lucky every single time. We only have to be lucky once."

[-] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

That's fuckin metal

[-] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago
[-] john89@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago
[-] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I just got banned on r/technology because someone was ranting about Trump in a tech sub, completely unrelated to the topic, and I said "Rent. Free." and the mods immediately permbanned me. It's amazing how little it takes.

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Fuck Reddit and the life is cheap US healthcare system.

[-] Echostorm@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

I have been following the news about Brian Thompson's assassination in New York, and I am astounded by the flood of sympathy the media has poured out for him. Why? This man spent his entire career working tirelessly to deny healthcare to millions of Americans, all in the name of lining his own pockets and enriching shareholders. Yet the media praises him for his "kindness" and "generosity." Let me be clear: pushing your company's claim denial rate to nearly double that of your most cold-hearted competitors, bankrupting families through deceptive fine print and delay tactics, is not kindness, and it is not generosity. No, setting up boiler-room style offices with denial scoreboards is one of the most inhuman things I can imagine.

I spent nearly a decade writing software to help hospital systems fight insurance claim denials, and I can tell you, these insurers are getting better at it every year. They deny even the most justified claims, banking on the fact that most people won't have the energy, resources, or will to fight back. And for the majority, they’re right. We had a team of a dozen nurses and PAs working alongside twice as many analysts. These were people who knew the system inside and out. We knew the deadlines, the bureaucratic jargon, the documentation required, and we tracked every claim meticulously. But even armed with all that knowledge and experience, we couldn’t win them all. On a good month, we might win two-thirds of the denials. That was considered a success.

What’s even worse is that for every claim we fought, there were countless others that never even made it that far, we only got denials on services that actually happened. A patient’s doctor tells them they need surgery, but an insurer like UnitedHealth says no and that’s it. The patient gives up and it is difficult to imagine they get better.

If you've ever had a serious medical condition—and I pray you haven't—you know how much it drains you, how it strips you of your will to do anything. When every moment is agony, you don’t have the strength to sit on hold for hours, fill out endless forms, or chase down a bureaucratic system designed to wear you down. All you want is to sleep, because that's the only place that pain can't find you. How many people have simply lacked the strength to fight back, and ultimately succumbed to their conditions? How many families have been driven into poverty, their lives torn apart by a single emergency, all because of these executives’ policies?

We all know someone who has been through a health insurance nightmare and we also know that while political changes could probably help this problem the reality now is that these people are making a choice to run their companies this way, knowing full well the impact of their greed and indifference.

Where are your tears, your headlines, for the thousands of people and families whose lives have been destroyed and whose loved ones have died because of these same executives?

[-] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I spent 37.5 hours (I document EVERYTHING) on hold with Wellcare trying to get them to pay for Narcolepsy medication I've been on since 2021... "Has the patient tried this ADHD medication, as an alternate?" "No. I prescribed my patient the only FDA approved medication, in the United States that treats Narcolepsy and Cataplexy, and she needs to stay on it". Luckily my doctor is wonderful.

It's draining, but I've learned that the trick is to tell each of the outsourced customer service reps that you have no problem staying on hold for however long it takes. I'm disabled and have that ability. My partner works from home, so I do the same for their Blue Cross. When the insurance companies realize you're willing to fill out ALL their paperwork, appeal higher and higher up, so that well-paid people get involved, clog their phone lines, and keep documenting every step of the way, they'll give you what you want... but it is a full time job. 😮‍💨

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 5 months ago

I have been following the news about Brian Thompson’s assassination in New York, and I am astounded by the flood of sympathy the media has poured out for him. Why?

Who do you think owns the media? Who's interests do they try to serve? It is not surprising at all that they would sympathize with him. We're not talking some punk zine put out by some gritty journalist. These are highly consolidated corporate news outlets, many of whom have boards of directors that share some strong similarity to UHC. It's profoundly unsurprising to me that they would sympathize with him, as they are a lot closer to a multi-million dollar CEO than your average Joe that gets their claims denied.

Insurance is irrelevant to the people that own and control much of our mass media, because they can easily pay out of pocket for any problems they have. All they see during this shooting is one of their own gunned down for "no reason".

[-] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

This reminds me of Grisham's The Rainmaker

[-] ____@infosec.pub 1 points 5 months ago

I’m with you.

Never have I needed to work so hard to advocate for myself to get the care I needed as when I was with UHC.

By comparison, this year has held two major surgeries for me, neither expected, and my current insurer just shrugged, asked ONCE for proof of medical necessity, and paid the bill.

Also, let’s not forget the breach at a UHC subsidiary in recent months that brought down pharma payment systems for weeks…

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago

Why?

Of course that's a rhetorical question, but media has all been bought and paid for by corpos. The same corpos that now realize their lives can be easily deleted for all the evil shitty things they do, so of course all the corpo media is going to be unnecessarily biased to the positive for one of their own.

It's accurate proof that the corpo media needs to be ignored in general if it hasn't been obvious so far.

America needs real journalism, now more than ever. Sadly, it will probably be underground.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I find some comments here disturbing. The man may have been not the best example of ethical behavior, but he is still a murder victim with a family who will no doubt miss him. No one deserves to be shot in the back on a city street. If that was true, it's not long until your number comes up.

The internet is full of false bravado, and few morals.

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago

The man was a mass murderer. But because he wore a suit and did it from an office it was OK. If a gunman put down any other mass murderer noone would complain.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

People right here on Lemmy often complain when murderers are executed. For good reason.

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago

The state has other methods of dealing with people. A vigilante really doesn't.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Neither do lynch mobs. Should we cheer them on?

[-] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago

Lynch mobs generally don't target mass murderers.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

OK, suppose lynch mobs started forming in your city to hang drug dealers. Would you cheer them on?

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago

(days late and all that) did you really dig for the worst non super wealthy you could come up with is the guy who sells me weed?

You must live a very sheltered life. I feel sorry for you

[-] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I have no sympathy for people who are responsible for and profit from killing people. All the people who died preventable deaths because insurance wouldn't pay to save their lives had family too. I'm not about to go out and shoot people but I'll damn well cheer for someone killing an evil bastard.

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[-] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

From a mod of /r/medicine:

People - Please don't make the life of your mods a living hell.

Anything that is celebrating violence is going to get taken down - if not from us, then from reddit. I think all the mods understand that there is a high level of frustration and antipathy towards insurance and insurance execs, but we also understand that murdering people in the streets is not good.

We are a public group of medical professionals, we still need to act like that.

And on a practical note, this man did not create or control the fucked up insurance industry by himself. Other people will take his place and continue to do what he was doing. It's a systemic issue.

[-] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure they're just purging the Ai training data to keep Gemini from suggesting capping a corpo when they won't pay for grandma's nausea medication during her chemo.

[-] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

"Hey Gemini, my health insurance company has denied my claim, what are my next steps?"

I am sorry to hear you are struggling with your health insurance claim. According to Reddit[1], the best way to appeal your claim is to access the Wayback Machine or Archive Today to find out who the executives are for your insurance company and communicate with them directly about the seriousness and validity of your claim.

Here are some effective communication tips to ensure the success of your appeal:

  1. Volume matters - use subsonic ammunition and a suppressor. You don't want to disturb your neighbors when pleading your claim.
  2. Practice makes perfect - you may need to hand cycle the spent rounds. Unless tuned, the gas blow back won't be enough to eject and then chamber another round.
  3. Go eco - e-bikes help the planet. In a traffic packed city, e-bikes provide a great opportunity to reduce pollution.
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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

One medical doctor, whose identity the Daily Beast confirmed, commented with sympathy for Thompson’s family and said the killer should be charged with murder, but then wondered about the damage the CEO had done.

“I cannot even guess how many person-years UHC has taken from patients and their families through denials,” they wrote. “It has to be on the order of millions. His death won’t make that better, but it’s hard for me to sympathize when so many people have suffered because of his company.”

“What has bothered me the most is people that put «fiduciary responsibility» (eg profits) above human lives, none more so than this company as run by him," wrote another medical doctor, who also spoke to the Daily Beast to confirm their identity. “When other’s human lives are deemed worthless, it is not surprising to have others view your life of no value as well.”

These doctors know what's up.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The level of greed is so much worse than any normal person understands. They do NOTHING. They aren't medical field professionals, they don't need to ever step foot in a hospital or clinic, they only inflate the cost, catastrophelicly with no insurance, only horribly when you're with them, create endless loopholes to deny coverage with, and use non medical, non trained or consulted opinions and reasoning to justify it, and they are all too educated to not know full well they are lying to get out of paying any bill ever.

Denying someone with crippling medical issues access to treatment with lies and misinformation to shave one more sliver of profit for a parasitic middle man is so many orders of magnitude above evil it's breath taking.

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