I mean, most Americans still believe America is "the good guy" after all the demonic shit they do.

A lot subscribe to the idea of team politics, where their side is good and the other side is bad. Doesn't matter what they do.

Sure, but there's a massive disinfo machine which has sprouted its own backyard propaganda industry that works 24/7 to mislead people. In a perfect world, this wouldn't exist. In a perfect world, people would be highly educated and politically developed where only if you are knowledgeable about the person you are voting for would you vote.

But based on my own anecdotal experience the average person who supports Trump isn't as intelligent and they definitely aren't as educated as the average person who supported Harris. I think it's safe to say that Trump's campaign exploited this demographic to get him into power again. Sure, if someone in his voterbase isn't grossly misguided then they have vicious political beliefs but the idea of celebrating a person's impending death because they are being stripped of healthcare for having the wrong political beliefs is really fucking vile.

The democrat supporters love touting the fact that studies show they have a higher level of intelligence and education and, often, that they demonstrate higher levels of empathy too. Yet they get a thrill out of shit like this or the carpet bombing of Gaza and, like the trees in the forest voting for the axe (like they always love accusing conservatives of being) not only do they vote for the (other) party that represents the interests of capital at their own expense but in doing so they vote for the (other) neoliberal party which continues to strip funding from welfare, education, healthcare, and housing that ensures that the next generation will have poorer educational outcomes and thus who will be in the prime demographic for conservative voters when they come of age but they are also actively ensuring that the development of the coming generations will have lower "IQ" because they are negatively impacting on nutrition during developmental years and doing shit like exposing kids to hazardous levels of lead in the water supply.

The only people who I have much more than a baseline level of sympathy for are the extreme progressives who haven't quite managed to figure it all out yet but I'm more inclined to be sympathetic to the person who is, allegedly, too stupid to know better than the person who is implicitly arguing that they themselves are more intelligent and that they do know better and yet still support a near-identical party. (Edit: I could have worded this part better. Fascists get no sympathy from me. Radicals get all my love. For all the liberal cohort, though, what I said in this paragraph applies.)

I think it just reveals a lot of liberals didn't care as much about the issues as much as they wanted to see trump supporters suffer. Blue MAGA tendencies lol.

That's just the thing. The liberal-conservatives aren't even pissed off at the conservative-liberals. They are outraged that certain groups - muslims, blacks, latinos, lgbtq people - were less rabidly pro democrat than they ought to be. The entire democratic party machine courted Trump voters and liberal-conservatives will do anything, except blame the party OR the Trump voters themselves. They'd rather wish pain on the weak of society than blame their neighbors, parents or the rich.

couldn't agree more. anybody who voted for trump is a piece of shit and i'm having a real hard time getting upset about their suffering

Death to America

I don't think it's a libbed up take but I can give you the boilerplate lib-brained "rational self-interest" ethics response, which is just a variation on their answer to "Why would you support free education if you don't have any kids yourself?" with that answer being that we all benefit from a society where people have access to this, even if it doesn't benefit us or our loved ones directly; those people getting an education are your colleagues and neighbours and friends and everyone else in society so an educated population (or a healthy one) benefits us as individuals, if only indirectly. I don't need to point to the ongoing pandemic or previous ones to help you extend this analogy just slightly further for a real-world example of why this also applies to health. I don't think this is the ideal basis for justifying universal healthcare but if that's what it takes to shake people out of their edgy Ayn Rand phase then so be it - it's hard to argue against this point.

If you want to take a restorative justice approach then even the worst people to exist need good healthcare so they can repair some measure of the harm they have inflicted upon the world for as long as is possible.

If you want to take the most punitive approach to justice then even the worst people to exist need good healthcare so that their lives can be as long as possible in order to exact the most retribution from them because a swift death would be far too merciful for these people.

And if you're going to provide good healthcare to the very worst people in the world then you're kinda obligated to provide good healthcare to everyone else, at least if you're going to be morally consistent about it.

"Would you say that Brexit was a scam?"

"Yes."

"And would you agree that it was sold to the British public through propaganda and outright lies?"

"Very much so."

"Do you take glee at the news at the victims of this mass-scale scam have faced hardship and financial ruin, if not openly wishing death upon them?"

"Of course I do."

"And would you agree that you are morally superior than these people and that you have their best interests at heart?"

"Undoubtedly."

It's shit like this attitude that I just cannot square the circle of. It's much easier for someone to detect the open scorn and contempt that another person has for them than it is to detect the lies that someone like Nigel Farage feeds them.

That's not to say that Farage isn't transparent with his bullshit but when someone genuinely hates you and wishes ill upon you, it's virtually impossible not to take notice of it. I'm not saying that reactionary and bigoted beliefs aren't contemptible or that they should go unchallenged but, generally speaking, treating people with contempt is one great big own-goal imo because you aren't gonna get far educating and agitating amongst people who you consider to be human garbage.