What’s wrong with lemmy.world though? It’s the biggest general server and will probably outlast most others.
Not liking what I've seen from the moderation lately.
The administration or the moderation? Either way, if that’s your issue, then you know which criteria to look for, on a new server.
As in their heavyhanded defederation?
Lemmy.sdf.org
Or sh.itjust.works are good with a (very) light touch on the defederation trigger
I've enjoyed lemm.ee
I'd definitely add a +1 to lemm.ee
The admin is open and honest, he's got a clear set of goals, which is to make lemmy accessible - nothing more, nothing less.
Lemm.ee doesn't participate in the whole "federate vs non-federate" drama or crippling features (ie: removing downvotes) because it goes against their ethos/mantra.
There are instances that lemm.ee defederates from, but they are usually due to extreme vore, cp, or other content that could expose lemm.ee to some legal problems.
I just checked the list at https://lemm.ee/instances
The only blocked entries are Threads and burger/burggit, which is defunct. I was not able to search defend.xyz to see who is blocking them.
For anyone considering it, just be aware that it will be a much less filtered experience. Most instances block lemmygrad, hexbear, etc. Most also block porn.
You will likely want to set up your own instance blocks
You will likely want to set up your own instance blocks
As a former Redditor, I gave up on /r/all years before the enshittification (due to the poor signal to noise ratio) and started culling a list of meaningful subreddits. For me this was a game changer.
If you plan on using lemm.ee (or any Lemmy instance) as a pre-curated r/all, I think you're going to have a bad experience. Lemmy, in it's current state, wasn't really made for that (the sorting is too simplistic).
For myself, I simply subscribe to the communities that I'm interested in. If I feel my daily feed is sparse, then I'll look at what's threads are trending in the entire fediverse and add those communities, then repeat. After following this process for a couple of weeks, I seldomly want/need to check the entire fediverse.
I appreciate that Lemm.ee will let me choose the communities that I'm interested in, regardless of they happen to exist on Lemmy.world, hexbear, etc.
Defederating is more than just blocking communities hosted on those instances. Most importantly, and the reason why most instances get defederated, is that it blocks comments.
If your instance blocks hexbear, it blocks all comments from hexbear users. That also applies to all communities on other instances.
Quick tip for moving accounts:
Export your profile from your current account, then import into the new one. Keeps subscriptions and even saved comments/posts, but doesn't include any of your post history. Its in the settings of the web app, when you are logged in.
Just make sure the next server you use has at least Lemmy 1.9.5 (I think) which was the first version with that functionality.
Which frontend does this apply to?
Wish there was a way to save our content though
Why? It's still there, just under the old account
I’m pretty fond of SJW
The main alt I use for the family TV is on SJW. Federated with basically all of the other mainstream instances but no porn.
No porn is appealing. Nothing against porn but I read Lemmy in public a lot and i hate playing whack a mole with nsfw communities.
Lemmy on the TV? That's a thing? How? Why?
We use a laptop outputting to a TV over HDMI as our main TV. That way my wife and I can watch whatever we want as usual, but also do crosswords, browse Lemmy together, etc.
I like 'Reddthat'; it's smaller size makes it feel cozy and responsive to their community. I have accounts on multiple instances, but reddthat is what I'm using 95% of the time
yeah, lemmy.world is a good starter server. To find your next one:
Also, consider going past the first page on FediDB and picking a smaller instance. I'm not knocking the big instances (I volunteer my time to two of the biggest, after all). It's just that the whole point of this Fediverse experiment is for things to be distributed. Going by the numbers on FediDB, fully half of all monthly active Lemmy users are concentrated on the three largest instances.
the whole point of this Fediverse experiment is for things to be distributed
I strongly disagree with this. This point is that it CAN be distributed, not that it needs to be.
That's like saying the whole point of making divorce legal is so that everybody gets divorced. It's the option that's the important bit.
Why not go to Discuit and their 194 weekly active users if you want a fully centralized initiative?
As much as federeation gets criticized on Lemmy (and to be fair, it brings some issues), the numbers still show that Lemmy is the most successful Reddit alternative. By far.
Damn, they really only have 200 weekly users? I knew they were small but I thought it would be at least a couple thousand. Federation is absolutely key, couldn't agree more.
But if the fediverse isn't actually distributed, then you don't actually have the option, right? If 80% of activity is on one server, then that server effectively controls the fediverse, and if you have a problem with their admins or moderators, you don't have a viable alternative.
If it's not actually distributed, the fact that it theoretically could be doesn't really matter. And this isn't even mentioning the possibility of a centralized server having technical or legal issues.
The divorce analogy is not a good one because that's an individual decision, whereas migrating servers and communities is not something that one individual person can just suddenly choose to do. It requires time, effort, and collective action, so it's better to be pre-emptively distributed to eliminate that vulnerability in the first place.
If 80% of activity is on one server, then that server effectively controls the fediverse,
Is that still true with easy export? It sounds like that server effectively controls the fediverse until it doesn't.
What do you mean by easy export? I haven't been keeping up with recent Lemmy updates because SJW is still running 0.19.5.
But if that's some way to transfer your account to another server, that helps a little bit, but the more difficult thing is to migrate the communities to a new server. AFAIK you would have to start the communities from scratch with 0 posts and 0 subscribers, and that takes a long time to build back up.
and that takes a long time to build back up.
Can be done in a few days if you warn the community beforehand and keep them informed where to go.
!sideoftheroad@lemmy.today is a good recent example from !sideoftheroad@possumpat.io
The difficulty corresponds to the size and activity of the community. With all due respect, that's an extremely small community, and they've still only gotten to around 20% of their original subscriber base. For more active communities, rebuilding the subscribers will be even more difficult. Luckily for us, most communities on Lemmy are relatively small, so transplantation can definitely be done for many of them.
However, when it comes to major communities, rebuilding the subscribers still isn't enough, because you lose all of the post and comment history no matter what you do. Major communities (c/memes, c/greentext, c/news, even something like c/eurographicnovels) cannot be quickly rebuilt in such a manner, you inevitably have to start from scratch. They represent the combined effort and activity of many people over many months, in making quality posts, making quality comments, and upvoting and downvoting the content judiciously so that the cream rises to the top. You could recreate them and try to copy all the posts to the new community with a bot in a single day, but that would be a pale imitation of the actual community as it existed over a period of time, because everything would have 0 upvotes and 0 engagement.
Thanks for the reminder to resubscribe to the new c/sideoftheroad though.
they’ve still only gotten to around 20% of their original subscriber base.
Not sure that's relevant. They used to have 915 active users for the last 6 months on the old one, they just reached 937 for this month on the new one, so I guess most of the people interested moved. Subscribers numbers are inflated as a large number of accounts aren't active anymore.
Major communities (c/memes, c/greentext, c/news, even something like c/eurographicnovels) cannot be quickly rebuilt in such a manner, you inevitably have to start from scratch.
Why not? The main issue with the first version of a community is to get enough people in the same place. Once this is achieved, you can just announce that you are going to move, point to the new community, and then post the new content on the new community.
It even happens now with !lotrmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com which was created after some powertripping by the admin of !lotrmemes@midwest.social. In this case, it's a bit different, as both communities are still open, but the fact that most of the people who posted to the old community switched to the new is enough to give the new community 2.85k monthly active users, while the old one only has 2.72k.
No need to transfer the old content, give the votes, and all of that. People just want to be where the new content is posted.
They used to have 915 users for the last 6 months on the old one, they just reached 937 for this month on the new one, so I guess most of the people interested moved.
!remindme to check their activity numbers 6 months from now and see how they compare. Hopefully it will be higher but I wouldn't bet on it.
you can just announce that you are going to move, point to the new community, and then post the new content on the new community.
That's the friction point. Most people aren't as active as you are and tend to miss those kinds of announcements. Or they see an announcement and they scroll right past. That's where you lose 90% of subscribers.
I wasn't subscribed to the dbzer0 meme community, and I don't expect it to replace the original one. Without knowing anything about what went down, I think y'all should just keep posting in the original community. But I will reluctantly subscribe for the time being, only because I greatly enjoy my LOTR memes and I don't want to miss any good ones.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that it's very disruptive and should only be done as a last resort, because many Lemmy communities are fragile as is, and we don't have enough activity to fill the communities that already exist. Trying to break off communities and replace communities is a dangerous game, and shouldn't be encouraged to solve minor problems, but only for major, unavoidable problems. People are going to do what they want no matter what I say, but that's my advice.
!remindme to check their activity numbers 6 months from now and see how they compare. Hopefully it will be higher but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Why do you want to check in 6 months? They moved 3 days ago, up to that point they were still posting on the old one, so the 6 months activity for the old community is all the activity there was. Or am I missing something?
Without knowing anything about what went down
https://sh.itjust.works/post/29284968?scrollToComments=true
You can have a look and assess whether that was "major" enough. But that's the way activity works on Lemmy: the people posting are free to go to another community whenever they want, and when they leave, the old community usually dies.
Usually the user numbers will start off really strong when a community is initially founded (especially if its a transplantation) and then drop off significantly in the following months. There's typically a surge of posts which attracts users from /all and /new, but those users eventually filter out as the content slows down.
Yeah I mean that's more or less what I assumed, not really major enough for me.
the people posting are free to go to another community whenever they want, and when they leave, the old community usually dies.
You're not wrong and this has happened many times, also with c/anime leaving from lemmy.ml. But that doesn't mean things will always go that way. The posters have a lot of power sure, but the casual users also have a lot more influence than you might think. Most people aren't going to follow power posters to the ends of the earth, they'll simply engage with the content that is most readily available to them, and they really don't want to bother with splinter communities and moderation drama.
There’s typically a surge of posts which attracts users from /all and /new, but those users eventually filter out as the content slows down.
We'll see!
Most people aren’t going to follow power posters to the ends of the earth, they’ll simply engage with the content that is most readily available to them, and they really don’t want to bother with splinter communities and moderation drama.
There's definitely several factors at hand. If only a few power posters move away, then the old community will probably stay prevalent. If there's no more content, it will die. You mention All and New, and those are definitely where people see the new communities. It's not the end of the world, some users might not even notice the community change and just vote/comment on the top posts of the day, wherever they are.
But there is indeed the network effect. !linux@lemmy.ml is still the main Linux community, even though !linux@programming.dev and !linux@lemmy.world exist.
As a side note, !sideoftheroad@lemmy.today are not moving for fun or to avoid power tripping. They are moving because the instance of their old community is closing.
So it's rather nice to see them successfully moving that way, as unfortunately it will probably happen again in the future for other instances
Most instances to be honest. Just make note of the blocked instances and see if they don't block anything you wish to see.
Unless you want local to be diverse, that is.
You're already on it. 🤦♂️
Pick one of the top 50 or 100 ones at random, just avoid lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, they are larger than they should be.
I am currently using discuss.tchncs.de, you can try it out.
Lemmy's introduction website is good at this btw:
https://join-lemmy.org/instances?topic=all_topics&language=en&scroll=true
I'd choose one at least somewhat near yourself. It'll improve latency, and it's your window to the world, so you'll always feel that latency when browsing.
There's probably some webpage out there that will measure load times, if you don't have tools yourself.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/ or https://mbin.fediverse.observer/ will geolocate your IP and try to show a list of geographically-nearby instances; not quite the same thing as network latency, but correlated.
What's up with world? I've seen that there are a lot of complaints going on about it, but what is the underlying problem?
It's popular.
I'd avoid anything federated with Hexbear or Lemmygrad.
Why? You can block instances from the user side, why bother if the main instance is federated with them?
It's weird to be in a comment chain where you're not seeing the replies that other people are seeing.
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