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Trump Sparks Constitutional Crisis, Seizing Budget Authority from Congress (talkingpointsmemo.com)

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 118 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think people are underestimating the seriousness of this action. He is effectively turning the civil service into his personal servants. Does congress even have a say in government anymore if this is allowed? Do the courts?

If Trump can effectively order government employees to do anything under threat of firing or worse, then is our situation meaningfully different from autocracy? This is an absolute emergency and I think people are not seeing the bigger picture here.

We need a plan to fight back against this, and I want to ask everyone to participate in whatever capacity they can. And please don’t give me any “ThE pLaN wAs VoTiNg” replies. We lost the election and we need to move on from this learned helplessness and figure out what comes next. We don’t have time to wait until the next election to fix this.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

At this stage it will be challenged in the US courts as it is apparently unconstitutional and also illegal.

Supporting non-profits that use the legal system to hold the government to account is the way to go for now.

Also the scope of this remains unclear - it's possible that it will blow up in Trump's face when all the schemes that directly benefit voters disappear, including potentially medicaid. So everyone just needs to keep reminding people that "Trump did this" - make him own the shit that is coming.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe. That is my main hope currently that the courts will at least pause this until it can be sorted out. But what then? Will the Supreme Court actually stand up to Trump even if this is clearly illegal? What if Trump just orders his flunkies to ignore the court orders? This is what I mean—we need to be ready for these possibilities.

I agree that supporting legal fights is a good idea but we need a diversity of strategies here. Mobilize on the streets. Contact congress, especially republicans and point out how this harms their constituents. Support federal employees in organized resistance against this takeover. And be ready to take more disruptive actions if they become necessary.

I am also afraid that many republican voters are too deep in the groupthink to see out of this. Trump can just make up some reason, no matter how flimsy or absurd that their problems are caused by the left and most will believe him. So I am not depending on them to save us, though we should be ready to work with any who will fight with us.

But ultimately I think the time of waiting for someone else to save us is over. It’s each of us or it’s no one.

[-] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Nah. What i think alot of people are missing is none of this is about the economy or politics. What happened is white folk got their tribe back. They won't give a shit as long as he's making America white again.

I for one hope the Chinese do better in their upcoming days and years as the global superpower than we did.

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

They won't

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 12 points 3 weeks ago

The Chinese are objectively worse. We're in danger of slipping into autocracy. They have had it for decades.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago

IDK despite Chinese authoritarianism they attempt to improve the quality of life for the population. For example healthcare was very poor for a nation as wealthy as China at the turn of this century. The party spent time and money to increase the availability of care and the quality of the average citizen’s care has gotten much better in the last 10-15 years.

[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Any country as xenophobic as China will never be a true global leader. Say what you will about America and our racism problem, it pales into comparison to China’s “Han or bust” stance.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

im not sure China will be objectively worse than Trump’s America though which is my point.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

When your organs are harvested to keep the party elders alive, tell me again how great their healthcare is ;)

[-] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

The plan was all there for anyone to read on Project 25. The guy says he doesn’t know anything about it during the campaign. First week in office and lots of it is already implemented.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

His "Agenda 47" was basically just project 2025 with less words.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago

You’re right but I guess part of me was holding out hope that he wouldn’t go through with it all. Naive.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

His voters haven’t been effected yet, when that happens, then something will happen. Maybe.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 3 weeks ago

At this point it's too late. He doesn't need them anymore :/

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

And “you won’t have to vote again”…

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Every tyrant everywhere and across all of history needs at minimum the acquiescence of his subjects. If we’re going to resist this we need to wake people from this idea that’s been drilled into us that voting is the only way to change politics. It’s not and never has been.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is something that I wish more people understood.

There is no amount of authoritarianism, no amount of tyranny, that can govern an ungovernable populace. Every nation, ultimately, has the government that enough people are willing to accept. The arc between tyranny and liberty can only move the line on what constitutes "enough".

[-] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

This is literally in Project 2025.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is everyone down to just not pay taxes this year?

I mean can you imagine...

Go as far as to change your filing status on your w-2s?

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Majorty of people: "Well, I'll just not file my taxes this year!"

Goverment: "Oh, no! Whatever shall I do with all these tax refunds?"

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 weeks ago

That was the goal, yes.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Is it a constitutional crisis if SCOTUS and Congress are on board with this?

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yep! It is. But good luck using the impeachment power to remove SCOTUS. It's an unwinnable battle through policy and procedure.

[-] blattrules@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

They couldn’t prosecute a sitting president because it would cause a constitutional crisis and the guy has been back in office a week and is already causing them on his own.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

At some point they've gotta realize it's him or America.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Who is they?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone with the power to do anything

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe he can't think this far ahead... but if like the article suggest, this is so blatant that the USSC can't let it stand, could this just be to cause a fuss, delay things temporarily as it immediately gets halted, but then also give the USSC a "win" against him to try and show they're not in his pocket?

[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

This is very likely the plan here, but at the same time, we should be very alarmed

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

The man discovered he is immune to absolutely everything. None of this is unexpected at this point.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

We're more than a week past Day 1 and he's still being a dictator, guys I think he might have been lying.
/S

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