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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago

You know sometimes I actually straight up FORGET that Steam is run by the same company that created Half-Life?

They:

  1. identified a gradient of human wants
    (Video games exist; I want them on my computer)
  2. Created a vector for that want to be satisfied
    (Digital distribution that conveys the games I want to my computer)
  3. Stayed the FUCK OUT OF THE WAY

When you do something well, people don't notice you've done anything at all.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

They simply did what everyone else refused to do, get out of their own way.

[-] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Don't ask TF2 player how they feel about this meme

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

TF2 released in 2007

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Honestly, the secret is not being a publicly traded company. All the others have to make the shareholders happy while steam just does steam. If the line doesn't have to constantly go up you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as you're still making profit. And if what you're doing is already working you don't need to add gimmicks or advertisements to milk it as much as you can just to appease the shareholders.

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Being a private company has allowed Valve to take some really big swings. Steam Deck is paying off handsomely, but it came after the relative failure of the Steam Controller, Steam Link and Steam Machines. With their software business stable, they can allow themselves to take big risks on the hardware side, learn what does and doesn't work, then try again. At a publically traded company, CEO Gabe Newell probably gets forced out long before they get to the Steam Deck.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

The steam controller didn't really fail, but the patent fight was a mess that took way too long (much too late disqualified patent over paddle buttons). That sucked a lot of energy out of the project. Don't forget the steam deck kept those touch pads (although with a different design)!

Steam Link IMHO also wasn't bad, but there didn't seem to be much interest in it then. (interestingly enough I think it could be recreated today in a Chromecast-like form factor)

Stream machines was definitely a big mess however, there just wasn't enough interest, too limited compatibility, the machines just wasn't versatile enough for average Joe to pay for one.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

Linux was also the only way to make sure Valve was viable long term. Eventually Windows was going to have an Xbox store built in and would've basically been a monopoly on PC gaming, cutting out steam altogether. I think windows now sort of does have that, but it can't compete with Steam quite yet.

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[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

And also not be backed by venture capital firms expecting to make infinite profits. Private or Public, if the company shareholder's only goal is to continue to receive 10% gains on their investment after already making back 20x their principal, they'll squeeze the company for all it's worth.

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago

I have a mixed feeling about Gabe and Valve.

While I am insanely grateful for proton (even if it was strategically important for them, they didn't do it out of kindness of heart), some other stuff disturb me:

  • Valve being so lenient on CS2 skin gambling, hurting the young people
  • A steam account being un-inheritable, making you defacto a tenant of your games
  • The 30% percent cut, stealing money from devs
  • Gabe spending his money on multiple mega yachts, like every asshole billionaire, instead of making the world a better place
  • Gabe claiming to be a libertarian, like Elon and other pieces of shit
[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago
  • The 30% percent cut, stealing money from devs

Sigh. Here we go again. I'll just copy one of my older comments about that attitude.


Steam is not a parasitic middle man, it is a collection of services that would have to be provisioned and operated by the developer otherwise. The 30% cut pays for:

  • A massive infrastructure to store and deliver the game and its updates, worldwide, and at an acceptable bandwidth that Valve operates
  • A storefront that enables monetizing the game
  • The audience and discoverability that would not exist otherwise
  • The Steam API, achievements, cloud saves
  • The client itself, content management, validation, and Linux compatibility tools
  • Network and operational security
  • Also keep in mind that Steam and its services are operated by experts. A game developer would have to hire the experts or get training.

If the revenue from the cut exceeds the operational costs: it's called profitability, not theft. The world doesn't run on good vibes.

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

The 30% percent cut, stealing money from devs

This is a pretty spicy take. Let's consider two possibilities:

  1. Game devs choose to distribute independently, and sell their game for $20. They sell 100,000 copies and make $2 million in revenue, and keep the entire $2 million.

  2. Game devs choose to distribute via Steam, promote it with a 50% off sale, it goes to the Steam front page, sells 500,000 copies at only $10 each, for a total $5 million in revenue. Steam takes $1.5 million and the devs take $3.5 million.

In scenario 2 the devs make 75% more than in scenario 1. Did Valve steal from the game devs?

[-] im_a_GDeveloper@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I didn’t knew about he claiming to be a libertarian. Rothbard must be turning over in his grave.

Here's the thing - Theoretically we shouldn't give a shit about his political leanings and we don't have to, because he and his company deliver a good service. I can privately think he's another asshole libertarian tech bro whose only guiding principle is "everyone should be able to do what I want, but only some people should have the money to do those things", but it doesn't change anything about Steam or Half-Life 3.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

A steam account being un-inheritable, making you defacto a tenant of your games

Can’t you just give your kids your steam password ? How would they notice ?

I'm not sure about that either - unless you really want your real name on a Steam account, you just change the password and the payment method and you should be fine, right?

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

A steam account being un-inheritable, making you defacto a tenant of your games

This is unenforceable under US Law

[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Not to mention his insane Porsche collection, yeah he's just another billionaire

Valve ruined my favourite game (dota) by flooding the game with ridiculous cosmetics that even change particle effects with no way to disable any of this

[-] fussganger@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago

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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago

Ancient Chinese philosophy has an answer for everything man

They had some thinkers back then for sure

[-] dipcart@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Just my two cents but as others have said, not being publically traded helps a lot. The focus on short term benefits that come with shareholders stops "master plans" when they come with mistakes. Learning from relative failures, like the steam controller and the like, ultimately contributes to major successes like the steam deck. Being able to stay committed to improving the software experience over time, instead of killing the product when it didn't immediately succeed, is fairly rare in the tech industry. And in all honesty, it would be better if they released a polished profuct, but being committed to it made it a success.

I feel like the pressure to have a majorly successful product day one means that smaller companies can't innovate the way they want to, so they have to find other ways to produce revenue. Huge companies, like Apple can afford to do both but still stumble, like with the vision pro. Maybe it'll be a success, but for now its not great and iteration makes it more difficult to maintain the original vision.

[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Apple was able to fall on their faces with the Lisa but still get to the Macintosh and greatness.

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[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Does nothing? DOES NOTHING?! He spent the last few years ripping Microsoft a new a@@hole, rendering their operating system meaningless for gamers! ..but nice meme

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Gaben has done lots of awesome shit. I fear what valve will become when he's gone.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 1 week ago

Fun fact many don't know, Gabe helped create the first versions of Windows and claims he learned more at Microsoft than he ever did elsewhere (at the time). So in a way, he's transcended Windows, vs ripping it apart.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

"Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake."

[-] Talaraine@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago
[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Guy owns how many yachts? I think Gabe sucks personally.

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