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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago

The Flat Earth "Theory" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard because of the simple fact that if it turned out to be true, if NASA came out and said "Eyup, we were bullshitting everyone the whole time."

Not a damn thing about my life would change.

There's no "The Secret" level nonsense where because this one thing is true I am suddenly empowered to free myself from the chains of society or reality. There's no "Ah, but your honor I'm a Sovereign Citizen, that means actually the murder I comitteded isn't illegal and you owe me a check for 69 Billion Dollars as punishment for wasting my time"

There's not a damn thing to be gained from it.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 28 points 6 days ago

For a certain group of people, science and life have gotten too complicated, and they want to feel special with special knowledge (often coupled with a distorted god belief), so they fall in the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.

And flat earth is actually one of the more dangerous conspiracy theories too, according to this chart, as it is usually not the only conspiracy these people believe in.

[-] SeaUrchinHorizon@reddthat.com 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

As with many things, the underlying problem creating conspiracy theorists is the mediocre high school dropouts need to feel superior to others in a world that values you for your skills and education. American Psychological Association: "The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others."

If you can't develop a sense of pride by working hard to create actual merit, why not just fake it by grouping together with a bunch of other flunkies to be like "actually, we're all better than you, because you're all just sheep who believe what the government tells you!"

Bonus points if you combine this line of thinking with some other forms of discrimination, but even traditionally marginalized groups can fall prey to this trap. I'm not sure how to solve it, perhaps a stronger social safety net would prevent people from losing their grip on reality just to feel safe from perceived threats. Then again to quite a few people "black people" and "women" and "people from other countries" and "trans people" are threats so perhaps nothing we do can make them feel safe enough to stop being annoying online

[-] TheTurner@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

I love how UFOs are more grounded in reality than flat Earth. Lol

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 6 days ago

That’s because they come from inside the Hollow Earth. Which you’d know already if you’d done your own research.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 5 days ago

That’s because they exist. Probably not aliens and such, but any object seen flying that’s not identified is a UFO.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

dangerous

It killed that guy with the home built rocket

It's in the top category on that site, which is also all antisemitic — I haven't noticed a religious side to flat earth believers (aside from their belief in their idea of the shape of the planet)

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago

I’ve heard quite a few flat earthers who claim that “they” are hiding god by hiding the true shape of the earth (according to the flat earthers obviously)

According to them the Bible tells them the world is flat and there’s a dome separating the waters above from the waters below.

[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 days ago

Technically the Earth is not spherical… it’s an oblate spheroid.

[-] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Spheroids are definitively spherical, otherwise they wouldn't call them that.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 6 days ago

Not true. For instance, a humanoid is specifically something that is not human, but human-like. An oval is not a circle, but maybe it’s a “circloid”.

[-] amon@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Close enough

[-] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

My favorite type of sphere.

[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Technically it's a shape defined by the EGM96 coefficients.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sometimes I wonder why this flat earth stuff refuses to go away and I don't even think it lingers because the flat earthers keep bringing it up. I think really it's just rage bait trying to get you mad about a group of people who, virtually, admit they have no critical thinking skills.

[-] nerv@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 days ago

I remember reading this article on how this group of flat earthers had pooled together to buy this incredibly expensive device, that had been laser calibrated. I think I recall being some sort of gyroscope that, if the planet was truly a sphere, would record on its inclination the degrees it would shift in order to maintain perfectly balance . The group had also did the math and they had reached a value that would be expected to be measured if the Earth was truly a sphere but it was immediatly rendered impossible because the device would never record such deviation as the Earth was flat.

Can you guess where this is going?

The device measured the exact figure the group had calculated. With no margin of error. And repeating the experiment only returned the exact same result. They had, by their own standard, reached proof the Earth was not flat.

Their conclusion?

The device had been sabotaged.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Sometimes I wonder why this flat earth stuff refuses to go away

Because for these people it is more about inflating their own ego. They know what they believe is wrong, but they like to think they are better by going against the grain. It is about having the notion of "I know something that you don't" which they imply to others by pushing the flat earth nonsense.

Alright so hear me out you guys, what if the whole thing was just a long-running prank? Nobody actually believes the earth is flat, but the Flat Earth Society is like the mafia - once you're in, you're in for life. And they have a Fight Club sign right at the entrance to the clubhouse so everybody knows they have to play it cool when outsiders are around.

[-] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 6 points 6 days ago

I think it's genuinely just people trying to make money at the top. They don't believe a word they say, but they keep making money from idiots so they keep doing it.

Yours is more likely, mine is more fun

[-] Corno@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

I remember figuring out on my own that the Earth is spherical when I was 6 years old and I witnessed big ships disappearing from the bottom up over the horizon.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

What do Eratosthenes' proclivities have to do with astronomy

[-] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 97 points 1 week ago

There was this one video where flat-Earthers tried to prove the Earth was flat, so they recreated the experiment by Eratosthenes and accidentally proved the Earth was round. I can't find it right now but it's hilarious.

There was one guy who designed what is actually an elegant experiment, placing several vertical surfaces, signs basically, with holes in them in a straight line a distance apart at the same elevation above sea level. If the Earth is flat, one should be able to see straight through all of the holes in the signs; if the earth is round, the holes will curve down and away. He observed that they curved down and away. Then of course proceeded to make up bullshit about how his own test was invalid.

[-] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Yes, that's it! I must have gotten confused about what video it was.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 64 points 1 week ago

This past December, The Final Experiment went down to Antarctica to take a video of the 24 hour sun. It's causing much consternation among flat earthers.

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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

Flat earthers: "We only believe what we can see for ourselves!"

Also flat earthers: "And then there is a great ice wall around it and then there are other earths just like ours in other pockets like that"

[-] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Have you run across big earth theory? it is quite possibly more insane than every other conspiracy theory ive heard because its like all of them together.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago

Explanation: Not only did the ancient Greek philosopher Eratosthenes (born and raised in what-is-now Libya) know the earth was spherical, he used that knowledge to measure the circumference of the earth - with two sticks and some carefully applied mathematical thought - to an astounding accuracy!

According to Cleomedes' On the Circular Motions of the Celestial Bodies, around 240 BC, Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in Ptolemaic Egypt.[8] Using a vertical rod known as a gnomon and under the previous assumptions, he knew that at local noon on the summer solstice in Syene (modern Aswan, Egypt), the Sun was directly overhead, as the gnomon cast no shadow. Additionally, the shadow of someone looking down a deep well at that time in Syene blocked the reflection of the Sun on the water. Eratosthenes then measured the Sun's angle of elevation at noon in Alexandria by measuring the length of another gnomon's shadow on the ground.[9] Using the length of the rod and the length of the shadow as the legs of a triangle, he calculated the angle of the sun's rays.[10] This angle was about 7°, or 1/50th the circumference of a circle; assuming the Earth to be perfectly spherical, he concluded that its circumference was 50 times the known distance from Alexandria to Syene (5,000 stadia, a figure that was checked yearly), i.e. 250,000 stadia.[11] Depending on whether he used the "Olympic stade" (176.4 m) or the Italian stade (184.8 m), this would imply a circumference of 44,100 km (an error of 10%) or 46,100 km, an error of 15%.[11] A value for the stadion of 157.7 metres has even been posited by L.V. Firsov, which would give an even better precision, but is plagued by calculation errors and false assumptions.[12] In 2012, Anthony Abreu Mora repeated Eratosthenes's calculation with more accurate data; the result was 40,074 km, which is 66 km different (0.16%) from the currently accepted polar circumference.[10]

[-] Hoimo@ani.social 5 points 6 days ago

In 2021, mathematicians Matt Parker and Hannah Fry calculated the circumference of the earth by going up to a point of known altitude and measuring the angle down to the horizon, giving them a very accurate 5500 km, which is 34500 km off (86%).

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[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 46 points 1 week ago

The existence of the North Pole star and the Southern Cross is enough evidence that the earth is round. On a flat earth, you should see the same constellations no matter where in the earth you are.

The Southern Cross was so important for celestial navigation on the southern hemisphere it’s in multiple flags (Brazil, Australia and New Zeeland, for example).

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Yup, all it takes is a single set of eyes, even a mediocre sence of direction, and a decent memory for stars on the celestial sphere for one person to definitively prove the Earth is round. If you can accurately measure stars, you don't even need to do Erastosthene's challenge with the sun.

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 week ago

I talked to a guy that worked in one of the deepest underground mines in Kirkland Lake, Ontario. He said one of his bosses, a highly educated libertarian nut job was a flat earther and would debate his workers on a regular basis about it. I told him they should ask for more danger pay because at one point they might drill through the flat earth plain and fall into space .... or land on a turtle.

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