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[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 63 points 2 years ago

https://www.thenews-messenger.com/story/news/local/2022/09/21/timing-is-everything-why-24-hours-to-day-and-60-minutes-to-hour/69503622007/

By 1,500 BCE, Egyptians were using sundials to divide the period of daylight into 12 segments. One explanation for their choice of 12 comes from their recognition there are about 12 lunar cycles (new moon to new moon) per year, which is also the reason most early cultures divided the year into 12 or 13 lunar months of 354 or 384 days.

A more entertaining possibility suggests 12 stemmed from the number of joints on the four (non-thumb) fingers of one hand.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago

12 is also a pleasing number in how many ways it can be evenly divided into equal groups.

[-] SMT42@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Not suuper useful for time though, honestly

Would be nicer if we had an overall base-12 number system

[-] brianorca@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If we had a base 10 hour system, how would you split it into three shifts?

[-] SMT42@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

6 hours 40 minutes?
7 hours with a 20 minute lunch?
I dunno, we'd make it work lol

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You just divide 10 by 3. That's elementary school math.

[-] Facelikeapotato@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

[-] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago

A more entertaining possibility suggests 12 stemmed from the number of joints on the four (non-thumb) fingers of one hand.

Well now I'm conscious of all the joints in my non-thumb fingers.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You can easily count to 12 with just one hand, and you can count to 60 with both hands, in the babylonian style, by using the finger segments.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago

the clock and the AM/PM system makes much more sense when you count from 0.

0am 1am 2am 3am ... 11am

0pm 1pm 2pm 3pm ... 11pm

instead of:

12am 1am 2am 3am ... 11am

12pm 1pm 2pm 3pm ... 11pm

the ancient people that invented the clock were programmers all along??

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

you may find comfort in knowing that in a mathematical sense, its reasonable to say 12am=0am.

this is because 12 hour clocks use modular arithmetic. doing arithmetic modulo 12 is basically the same thing as doing normal arithmetic with the whole numbers, except you add in the rule 12=0. for example, modulo 12, we have 15 = 3 + 12 = 0 + 3 = 3. (this explanation of modular arithmetic comes from viewing it as “normal addition” in a quotient ring.)

[-] notaviking@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

This, basically a lot of things were based on 12 in the olden times. But since the French were against everything British, including their imperial system they based their metric system on base 10. I heard there were even clocks in France that had only 10 hours

[-] Ad4mWayn3@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

12 hours can be evenly split into halves, thirds, fourths and sixths, but naah, apparently is better to only have ten to split it into halves and fifths (who uses fifths anyway) is better right?

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You can split ten by any number you wish. That's the beauty.

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

I mean, that's the argument for feet vs meters lol

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It has nothing to do with French. The decimal digit notation was invented in ancient India, then it got adopted by the Arab world and finally reached Europe in the 10th century. But even before so called Arabic numerals ancient Romans were using decimal system as well and their Roman numerals are also based on decimal system.

Thus people all over the world agree that the decimal system is superior, since the ancient times.

[-] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There was decimal time, with 10 hours of 100 minutes, and a prototype of metric time, with the day as the base unit.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's probably that way because the system of time predates the invention of zero as a concept by a millennia or two.

[-] EarMaster@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Everyone here assumes that midnight=12a.m. is valid everywhere but in a lot languages this is not the case (German and French just to name two). So maybe this is just something weird English speaking people do...

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

You're making me want to make a new clock that has a 0 at the top and a 23 to it's left.

[-] SMT42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I've seen it before (well i think it was 24, not 0), but 24h analog clocks are a thing

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Becasue there was no one inventor of the clock.

12 hours of daylight existed (ancient Sumer) about 4,000 years before the modern clock (medieval Europe)

Even when clocks were invented, it was hundreds of years before they also showed minutes, and another hundred or so years before they showed seconds.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Soon we will have milliseconds

[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

We have had clocks with the accuracy to display fractions of a second for about 120 years (pre-WW1 stop watches were accurate to the 1/10 of a second) and milliseconds for about 50 years but there is no real use as the second is the shortest practical amount of time the vast majority of humans need in their daily lives.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

Day doesn't start at 12, it ends at 11:59 before turning back over to 00:00

Personally I'd argue for base 36 time!

36 hours, each consisting of 36 minutes, each consisting of 36 seconds.

Lets you treat time as a 0-Z number with two decimal points, the day ends at Z.ZZ at night, plus base 36 is SUPER conveniently divisible, which jives really well with how most folks actually consider how much time they need to do whatever or what time it is.

[-] The_Ferry@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

That is a very brave and very odd system you are reccomending, I respect it and absolutely hate it

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

This was one of many things the French fixed with their revolution but was cruelly taken away by the reactionaries. Decimal time

VIII. Each month is divided into three equal parts, of ten days each, which are called décades... The day, from midnight to midnight, is divided into ten parts or hours, each part into ten others, so on until the smallest measurable portion of the duration. The hundredth part of the hour is called decimal minute; the hundredth part of the minute is called decimal second.

[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Funniest teardown of it I've ever seen: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI

[-] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

Sure, let’s make a 24 hour clock and cram everything on there, that will be easy to read from across the room for sure 😏

[-] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago
[-] sfgifz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

It looks irritating to read time in the distance pic with the woman standing next to it.

[-] TQuid@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

My wristwatch uses a similar dial. You can learn to read it like you can learn anything with exposure.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I find it annoying that it has a 24 instead of a 0, and that it's at the top instead of the bottom.

[-] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I carry a clock in my pocket at all times. Sometimes it makes a weird ringing sound for a bit and weird numbers show up on the clock screen. It scares me every time.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

What's the problem exactly?

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

This system was made by sexagesimal gang

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

sounds kinky :P

[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 3 points 2 years ago

Like it was smarter to write in base 10, multiples of 12 such as 60 and 24... * roll the eyes *

[-] jackpot@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The day starting at 1 is much, much, dumber than a 12 hour clock.

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