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In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 weeks ago

I hope some of you actually skimmed the article and got to the "disengaging" part.

As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.

It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

[-] cortex7979@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago

That's so wrong holy shit

[-] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

Don't get me wrong, autopilot turning itself off right before a crash is sus and I wouldn't put it past Tesla to do something like that (I mean come on, why don't they use lidar) but maybe it's so the car doesn't try to power the wheels or something after impact which could potentially worsen the event.

On the other hand, they're POS cars and the autopilot probably just shuts off cause of poor assembly, standards, and design resulting from cutting corners.

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 18 points 2 weeks ago

if it can actually sense a crash is imminent, why wouldn't it be programmed to slam the brakes instead of just turning off?

Do they have a problem with false positives?

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[-] Krzd@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn't it make more sense for autopilot to brake and try to stop the car instead of just turning off and letting the car roll? If it's certain enough that there will be an accident, just applying the brakes until there's user override would make much more sense..

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago

Normal cars do whatever is in their power to cease movement while facing upright. In a wreck, the safest state for a car is to cease moving.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Rober seems to think so, since he says in the video that it's likely disengaging because the parking sensors detect that it's parked because of the object in front, and it shuts off the cruise control.

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[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

That is like writing musk made an awkward, confused gesture during a time a few people might call questionable timing and place.

[-] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It always is that way; fuck the consumer, its all about making a buck

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

My 500$ robot vacuum has LiDAR, meanwhile these 50k pieces of shit don't 😂

[-] rbm4444@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Holy shit, I knew I'd heard this word before. My Chinese robot vacuum cleaner has more technology than a tesla hahahahaha

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Notice how they're mad at the video and not the car, manufacturer, or the CEO. It's a huge safety issue yet they'd rather defend a brand that obviously doesn't even care about their safety. Like, nobody is gonna give you a medal for being loyal to a brand.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

These people haven't found any individual self identity.

An attack on the brand is an attack on them. Reminds me of the people who made Stars Wars their meaning and crumbled when a certain trilogy didn't hold up.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

An attack on the brand is an attack on them.

Thus it ever is with Conservatives. They make $whatever their whole identity, and so take any critique of $whatever as a personal attack against themselves.

I blame evangelical religions' need for martyrdom for this.

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[-] get_the_reference_@midwest.social 19 points 2 weeks ago

E. Lon Musk. Supah. Geenius.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.

This has been known.

They do it so they can evade liability for the crash.

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

I wondered how the hell it managed to fool LIDAR, well...

The stunt was meant to demonstrate the shortcomings of relying entirely on cameras — rather than the LIDAR and radar systems used by brands and autonomous vehicle makers other than Tesla.

[-] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

If I could pass one law, requiring multiple redundant scanning tech on anything autonomous large enough to hurt me might be it.

I occasionally go to our warehouses which have robotic arms, autonomous fork lifts, etc. All of those have far more saftey features than a self driving Tesla, and they aren't in public.

[-] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

The tl;dr here is that Elon said that humans have eyes and they work, and eyes are like cameras, so use cameras instead of expensive LIDAR. Dick fully inside car door for the slam.

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[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

So, who's the YouTuber that's gonna test this out? Since Elmo has pushed his way into the government in order to quash any investigation into it.

[-] bay400@thelemmy.club 9 points 2 weeks ago

It basically already happened in the Mark Rober video, it turns off by itself less than a second before hitting

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

And the president is driving one of these?

Maybe we should be purchasing lots of paint and cement blockades...

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When he was in the Tesla asking if he should go for a ride I was screaming "Yes! Yes Mr. President! Please! Elon, show him full self driving on the interstate! Show him full self driving mode!"

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

"Dipshit Nazis mad at facts bursting their bubble is unreality" is another way of reading this headline.

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[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 3 weeks ago

Why would a car that expensive not have a LiDAR sensor?

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[-] ZeroGravitas@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Painted wall? That's high tech shit.

I got a Tesla from my work before Elon went full Reich 3, and try this:

  • break on bridge shadows on the highway
  • start wipers on shadows, but not on rain
  • break on cars parked on the roadside if there's a bend in the road
  • disengage autopilot and break when driving towards the sun
  • change set speed at highway crossings because fuck the guy behind me, right?
  • engage emergency break if a bike waits to cross at the side of the road

To which I'll add:

  • moldy frunk (short for fucking trunk, I guess?), no ventilation whatsoever, water comes in, water stays in
  • pay attention noises for fuck-all reasons masking my podcasts and forcing me to rewind
  • the fucking cabin camera nanny - which I admittedly disabled with some chewing gum
  • the worst mp3 player known to man, the original Winamp was light years ahead - won't index, won't search, will reload USB and lose its place with almost every car start
  • bonkers UI with no integration with Android or Apple - I'm playing podcasts via low rate Bluetooth codecs, at least it doesn't matter much for voice
  • unusable airco in auto mode, insists on blowing cold air in your face

Say what you want about European cars, at least they got usability and integration right. As did most of the auto industry. Fuck Tesla, never again. Bunch of Steve Jobs wannabes.

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[-] Cantaloupe877@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Looney Tunes shit.

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