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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Frank Sysyn, a history professor at the University of Alberta, says it’s accurate to say that Hunka was not a Nazi, despite fighting for Nazi Germany, because non-Germans weren’t allowed to join the party.

He said Canada's choice to allow veterans of the unit to live out their lives in the country ultimately came down to a decision that membership in the unit was not reason enough to prosecute someone, if there was no proof they committed individual crimes. Ukrainians, he added, are far from the only group of postwar immigrants to benefit from such an approach.

"Most of our Italian immigrants of the 1950s, if they were men of a certain age, had probably been in the Italian army and fought for Fascist Italy," said Sysyn, who is a member of the Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies.

John-Paul Himka, a University of Alberta professor emeritus and the author of a book about Ukrainians and the Holocaust, said many of the young men who joined the Galicia division in 1943 were motivated by the atrocities they witnessed under Soviet occupation, including the murder of thousands of political prisoners and mass deportations to labour camps. “So for the people in this region, the Soviets were the nightmare and the Germans were relatively tolerable," he said. "So that, I think, explains why so many of them thought that what they were doing fighting against the Soviets was patriotic.”

He said some Galician units did participate in atrocities, including murders in Polish villages. The division had an antisemitic newspaper and accepted into its ranks “policemen who had been very important in the Holocaust, who had rounded up Jews for execution and sometimes executed Jews themselves," he said.

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Klufas blames the branding of Hunka as a Nazi on "Russian disinformation," adding, "the fact that he was a soldier does not mean that he was a Nazi." He also said there was nothing wrong with Parliament applauding a man "who fought for his country." However, he conceded that it "maybe wasn't correct" in the circumstances, given that the people there didn't fully understand the issue.

what-the-hell

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

Klufas blames the branding of Hunka as a Nazi on "Russian disinformation," adding, "the fact that he was a soldier does not mean that he was a Nazi." He also said there was nothing wrong with Parliament applauding a man "who fought for his country."

Can we applaud Russian soldiers then?

[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the fact that he was a soldier does not mean that he was a Nazi

WTF. This is trying to apply the clean Wehrmacht myth on Waffen-SS volunteers. That the professor is saying only members of the NSDAP were Nazis is something that would be crossed out as wrong due to reduction in any homework you have to write at school or uni over here.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

White people coming out as big fans of Nazis after decades of pretending to hate them might be the biggest outcome of this war.

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

White people only pretended to hate nazis because europe got wrecked by world war 2

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

They weren’t hurting the right people

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Most of western europe immediately collapsed into nazi-sympathizer comprador regimes without much resistance, almost like a large portion of the population secretly wanted it to happen. Vichy cucks and quislings.

Partisans who fought the occupiers are the only cool people in those nazi-occupied countries.

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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

No, they were the real nazis maybe-later-honey

[-] neo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Everything that is politically inconvenient for our ruling hegemony in this moment is Russian disinformation at worst, Soros funded as a middle ground, and Chinese propaganda at best. You don't even have to justify or prove it. Just claim it and it becomes as real as the ground under your feet.

[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

In the fucking SS

"not a nazi"

[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He's only a real Nazi if he comes from the Nazi region of Germany, otherwise he's a sparkling fascist

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

Normal response: “The SS guy who slaughtered poles was a Nazi.”

Liberal response: “well, ackshually, we have to first consider Plato’s dialogues. For example,”

[-] lckdscl@whiskers.bim.boats 31 points 1 year ago

Liberal trend in 2023 - mental gymnastics to defend Nazis.

Liberal trend in 2024 - mental gymnastics to defend being Nazis themselves

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Askshually sweaty I'm not german so I can't be a nazi smuglord

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

Could you imagine this treatment for ISIS? "Well, he volunteered to join ISIS but we don't know if he specifically did any crimes and you could see why am Iraqi would join ISIS to fight against Americam occupation. Anyway, ISIS beheaded a ton of people lol."

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

This shit is why liberal inteligencia are a disease. They serve the purpose of defending fascism. No western academia is free of this shit. I know this is Canada and not the EU, but this is why the entire "progressive" smiling liberals and socdems are so fucking evil. They are the moderate wing of fascism STILL

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

"He fought for an unit created by a nazi".

He WAS a Nazi. In the Waffen SS. Which he joined voluntarily.

[-] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 year ago

He ~~WAS~~ IS a Nazi.

If he was a changed person, he would not have been there.

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that must be why his bio from Uni of Alberta only says he came here after WW2. Never mentions he was a "veteran." Weird they glossed over that huh?

page 15 https://www.ualberta.ca/canadian-institute-of-ukrainian-studies/media-library/newsletters/2020/2020-cius_newsletter-eng-optimized.pdf

"Yaroslav Hunka (1925–) was born in interwar western Ukraine, in Urman village, Berezhany district, Ternopil oblast. After World War II he settled in the United Kingdom, joining the Association of Ukrainians in Great Britain."

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Adolf Hitler was an Austrian veteran and public speaker. He passed away in 1945.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

austrian veteran and public speaker who made great strides against the spread of authoritarian russian communism

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Yaroslav Hunka (1925–)

Inshallah they will need to update this to say "(1925-2023)"

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Great scott, these readings are off-scale! hitler-detector

[-] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

dissolve your govt canada no balls you won't

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

I hate how in the 21st century, nazism has become so popular that if you announce to normies that you disagree with nazis, at best you will be lectured on how you're being a contrarian, and most likely you will be accused of being one of the BAD authoritarians....because you dislike the GOOD authoritarians.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

It is certainly automatic on many parts of, uh, certain websites that you'll get responses to the effect of "the communists killed way more" and "at least the Nazis didn't kill their own people".

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[-] Clippy@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Dibs on being the twink Jew.

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Paywall

ohnoes

Can you copypasta please comrade

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago
[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

created by

Gotta make it as passive as possible. Makes it sound like Volkswagon today and not something that was at that moment created with the clean purpose of recruiting fascists

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I wonder what they think of a certain community center bombing back in 1949

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[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago
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