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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 94 points 3 days ago

yeonmi-park In bad Korea they force their people to work debilitating hours for low pay. It is so bad they can't afford to start a family, let alone find time for companionship.

[-] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 65 points 3 days ago

Ah yes, the "researchers think best on no sleep, intense stress, and no life" approach.

Afterall, it's not like they're doing real work - like golf meetings and lazy financial crimes - because that would imply their lives have value and they do something their bosses cannot. They're just mobile tools, and can simply run for longer, so I dunno, set a big bowl of modafinil and protein slurry in the lounge, they like that crap right? I gotta practice my swing.

[-] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 3 days ago

Reducing the amount of time people have for socializing and starting families will definitely fix the demographic collapse!

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

Ripping copper out of the walls, but for demography.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 66 points 3 days ago

Why scientists are always the most cucked workers ffs it's pathetic

[-] CDommunist@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago

Marx failed to take into account that nerds are easily bullied

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 3 days ago

To be fair Marx and most of his circle were nerds but none of them was easily bullied.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I honestly think this is true from my experience chatting about labour with coders

Also because they're grateful to their bosses they get to do their interests as a job. I'd imagine for researchers this is a massive deal

[-] Terrarium@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago

Young scientists are convinced they are headed for bigger and better things and that the work they do is very valuable - either intellectually or personally or both. They do not see themselves as of the same class as janitors, they are just temporarily overworked for the cause and things will get better later when they are in charge or in some senior role. They are "paying their dues".

Then 90% of them realize there is no such job waiting for them and they slowly shed their belief system. But it can take decades.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

thats pretty much it, alot of them thinking finishing a phd, and they get jobs handed to them, they arnt, unless you come from a prestigious university and a wealthy background which opens alot of doors automatically, eg connections. additionally alot of them believe the jobs are in academia, they arnt either because its too comepetitive, and most of them are writing grants anyways as a PI, or doing some low quality paper as a post doc(and not hire dyet). thats why im hearing on other platforms that phds are defecting from thier fields for another

[-] Terrarium@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Yes and structurally universities "train" far more PhDs than they have professor positions so it is literally impossible for the vast majority of academic track PhDs to get a professor position. The economics drive this: PhD students are just underpaid lab workers, basically. Like the 5 interns hoping to get the one full time position, it's not an accident, the situation is gamed because the employer gets more labor for less money.

[-] hexthismess@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago

I work with a bunch of scientists and they are the most comfy libs I've ever seen. I try and organize my coworkers and I get the most passive no I've ever heard. "OH I'm sooo glad you're working too protect my rights, but I just can't be fucked to care" is essentially the answer I get most of the time.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago

It's a field that self-selects for insanely driven monomaniacs. All the lab PI's I ever met worked 70 hours a week because they just loved the research that much. One of my bosses bragged about working 20 hours a day to finish his PhD. It probably wasn't that much, but he got his degree in 3.5 years, which is crazy fast for the field. Anyone who can't handle the workload washes out quickly.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

Yanks are allegedly particularly insane, I get it you have no money contrains but really crazy stories

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I get it you have no money contrains but really crazy stories

They do, but the culture makes people generally not care about long term financial health and taking on debt/spending beyond their means to live in the moment

Obviously, this is sick af in a country with good security nets but in USA it's just a way to make people massive irresponsible consumers for the capitalists benefit

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

Academics are relatively poorly paid but people in industry generally make bank. That said, what do you do with it? If you live in the right area you can get some pretty much unused high end bikes for half off because the tech bros buy them and then realize they have no time to ride them.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago

Why scientists are always the most cucked workers

Smh it's because scientists are ELITES secretly running society

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

The job is much less alienated than average and people are willing to endure a lot of abuse for less alienation.

one of the only countries i'd want to live in less than the US

[-] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 44 points 3 days ago
[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago

somehow less stupid considering you are literally in the ice apocalypse instead of being in the dying throws of a country that, by current demographic trends, ceases to exists in 50 years

[-] Runcible@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago

by current demographic trends, ceases to exists in 50 years

hey, I wonder why that is

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i have to finish that lib game, its actually pretty good.

[-] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

It's one of my favorite games, I keep wanting to play the sequel but I've got no money to get it plus my computer is dogshit so I'd have to upgrade that first and that costs even more money

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=76610802 this is the one i own. i got it for free and you probably could too. computers can be more capable than we give them credit for, you can try it.

except i just noticed the screenshot is from the first one. which is also good, no complaints.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 28 points 3 days ago

Surely this will fix the demographic collapse, right?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 days ago
[-] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago
[-] miz@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Hell Joseon

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

North Korea once again proving it was always the good side

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago

We'll know when Fox News covers that because ~30 minutes later Trump will tweet that people should work a lot longer than 40 hours a week.

[-] Xenomorph@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago

Fail Korea has (or had idk what happened to him since the coup attempt) the incel president that wanted everyone working like 70 hours a week right?

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Do they get paid to drink until they pass out at company dinners? Is that included in the hours?

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