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How some of the post-federation Ukraine threads feel like
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I appreciate the long response, and I understand where you are coming from on a lot of your points:
So if I'm understanding this correctly, you're essentially saying NATO and the US should keep to themselves, and the US should have stayed out of Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan; I agree with this. However, The Ukraine war is a different situation in this case because there are no US or NATO troops there.
I see where you're coming from on this one, I can't say I fully agree, though. We're giving them cluster bombs and mines to defend their country with, not amputate children. War is a shitty situation for all involved, but Ukraine and NATO did not start it, Russia did. And, yes, the American Military Industrial Complex does like its global conflicts where it can sell and test out its fancy weapons. In this particular situation, I ~~support~~ agree with doing this because those weapons are being used for defense against an invading force that I, as an American, am opposed to.
So just give up and allow Russia to take whatever they want, I disagree with this one. I also find it hard to believe that Ukraine is ok with giving up any territory to Russia.
At the end of the day, I want Ukraine to win this war and have their country back. This outcome would also mean that Russia would come out weaker in the end. I'm ok with my tax dollars going to that.
You're missing the point here though. It is an objective fact that mines and unexploded cluster munitions keep maiming and killing people long after whatever conflict they were intended for has ended, and the victims are usually disproportionally children. The stated intent of these weapons does not change that.
Do you include your own country in the "all involved" here?
You actually believe that? There's been plenty of evidence of US and NATO commanders in Ukraine doing "training" well before Russia went in there.