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This isn't a streamer thing specifically, that just makes it visible, including the thought process. This is just carbrain. Why do you think so many people run red lights?
Cars are inherently dangerous.
You're right in that this is framed in a way that puts the responsibility on the individual (not defending her and saying what she did was fine) rather than the poorly designed method of transportation.
I know you're not defending her but whose else would it be? This isn't somebody making a mistake because none of us are infallible and being forced to drive cars, this is a clearly stated, willfull action.
I agree but there is also a responsibility to make systems more idiot-proof and bad actor proof, because as you said people are infallible. I just believe cars are inherently dangerous and you can only go so far in trying to idiot proof it. I would like the conversation to be more about why is it so easy for someone to do something so dangerous, rather than this person is a bad person and needs to be punished.
We are kind of forced to drive cars because of the way urban planning is done. Very few places in the US are designed where you can conveniently access most areas you want without a car
Because the underlying assumption is every car driver is entirely rational, at full capacity at all times with the decision making capabilities of a fighter jet pilot and every time you try to change this they all band together to defend this status quo, even if it means they'll get T-Boned by idiots like posted in the OP.
She needs to lose her drivers license is the thing. There's societal problems abound, on aggregate, with behaviour like this and it's still very much an individual being a fucking moron. I don't think think this is worthy of jail time or even a fine necessarily, but a person who shows this open disregard for very clear, basic rules of road safety should not be allowed to operate a car.
People routinely run stop lights and cruise right through stop signs in California, almost to the point where they're just mere suggestions for maybe slowing down a bit unless you have to stop for cross traffic.
I've been in neighborhoods in California that have zero signage at 4 way intersections where any where else I'd expect them to be 4 way stops. or at the very least 2 way stops.
It's wild to me that it's just kept a free for all.
They actually do this on purpose in many Dutch cities. The idea is that if you remove most of the signs and lights, drivers will have to think for themselves and be actively aware of the traffic around them. It seems to work, Dutch cities are generally friendly to pedestrians and cyclists and AFAIK the number of accidents are relatively low.
I don't think this works without all the other bits of dutch traffic planning like separating infrastructure very strictly for the most part, slowing down cars a lot wherever that isn't feasible or wanted and also that basically everyone still also rides a bicycle instead of using a car exclusively. Approaches in isolation such as this are tried every few years here in germany - which is less carbrained than the US as per infrastructure at least - and it usually fails horribly because the underlying mindset of the country is still "road = cars, get out of the fucking way". It very occasionally works out in very small, rural communities where the socetial pressure not to run your actual, known neighbour over takes hold but otherwise it's a mess.
I once went out of my way on a cycle trip to ride through Bohmte, which has tried a rathe more dutch shared space approach with no traffic signs, no lights, no sidewalks in their inner city and it does not work one fucking bit, it works out to be the worlds most stroad. Mind you, the clearly designated sidewalk is a later addition on account of how much it did not work.
probably because it wouldn't matter if they put a stop sign in or not.. nobody follows them anyway
yup they call this a California stop
A rolling stop is called a Whatever Region You Don't Like Stop
Californians that I know call it the California Creep
It can be self deprecation as well. Regardless it's not a regional phenomenon but everyone names it like it is one in every region