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I ... what? Had Trump done the impossible and cost America the neo-nazi demographic? And Russia is involved somehow???
a lot of the really hardline nazis have hated him for awhile, because he isn't actually one of them. he's a self-serving capitalist who's racist enough to court many fascists but he's not ideologically committed to any broader political aims. he doesn't really give a shit about advancing "the white race" and he has a Jewish members of his cabinet (one of whom is his son-in-law) supports Israel etc.
and order of nine angles aren't like, your typical run-of-the-mill fascists. it's a Satanic pedophile death cult
The further they are into groups like O9A, 764, etc., the more I feel it's less about fascism, but edginess in itself. Nazism has powerful transgressive symbolism that they gravitate towards, and I'm confident most have no actual belief in any Nazi policy, just drawing swastikas to invoke the idea of 'pure evil' that Nazism represents in Western media (for good reason). You can get a free news article by drawing a swastika on a wall, so why wouldn't ultra-edgelords leech off that?
In a way, I'm very happy they generally don't adopt figures like Stalin, who hold a similar place in Western media ('mass murderer', 'genocidal', etc.).
If Stalin memes were to become newsworthy as opposed to censored, they would 100% adopt him. And that is because they are basically purely media reactionary nihilists. They only care about the exercise of power, and do not care who they are exerting power over or what actually happens. The more mentally ill children they can convince to self-harm or commit murder the more they think of themselves as smarter than everyone in society, which they would think while calling themselves 'removed'. Genuinely sick people.
In russia its more common for nazis to both be fash and love stalin. Although there is the balkanize russia and make it part of the EU/Ukraine variant as well.
I've been seeing for a couple years some neonazi types saying Trump was a race-traiter, that he was actually just a grifter and wasn't Hitler enough. I saw more talk of that a couple months ago with Musk mentioning that there are good foreign workers the US could use that should get visas, which upset the white-supremacists. I don't know if a capitalist these days can be Nazi enough for the most dedicated neo-nazis.
TIL that Nazis have their own ultras
It’s funny because libs talk about Trump like he’s full Hitler
Hitler has become an ontological evil for them
They can't really say why Hitler was terrible because they don't know
They know that he was the head of Nazi Germany, but ask if they know any other people responsible for the Holocaust and they might stammer out a Himmler or Goebbels
It's moral shorthand for them at this point to just point and shout "Hitler!"
Thats how they end up clapping for em or putting up anti communist memorial full of em
The nickname "Zion Don" has been around the far-right for nearly 10 years, crying about Trump not hating Isn'treal and their "Zionist Occupied Government" conspiracy. I don't know how widespread that position is among them, but it's certainly not new.
Never forget that Nazi scum have plenty of infighting too, and some have been dumb enough to assassinate each other over their drama (see: Rockwell's well-deserved assassination by another nazi). They're volatile and plenty of them are absolute idiots with violence obsession. Doesn't help that there are "satanic nazi" groups like O9A et al who endorse infiltration into neo-Nazi groups, who probably add more instability into the syncretic insane mix. As much as socialist groups can split and infight over relatively-meaningless things, at least we avoid most of those self-sabotaging crackpots.