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this post was submitted on 18 May 2025
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IMO if the source of the negative feeling is that something good didn't happen (regardless of expectation) it's an example of absence of joy. Like, how is it different, from a purely empirical/experiential perspective to not live a life at all, and to live a "life" that is completely devoid of any experience (e.g. a stillborn who was never conscious). That's still absence of joy either way, although another point where I differ from antinatalists is that I think life in itself has value, independent of experience.
if you're never conscious you never have a subjective self.
i'm down right miserable because of good things that don't happen, because i know they could happen. some even happened before but probably never will again. other people are experiencing them.
can your framework not tell the difference between malicious deprivation, circumstantial not-happening, and the oblivion of there not being a conscious mind to begin with?
I think you're getting at the problem with anti-natalism, then. As I said before, I do think that absence of joy is bad, unlike them. I was talking in terms that were too general to get into malicious deprivation, circumstance, and complete absence, which you need to discuss if you want a framework that prescribes culpability. As I said, I'm not an ethical philosopher, just trying to describe the philosophy and the contradictions I see in it.