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That feeling when Democrats are turning on trans people. Pretending the Democrats will save us as a Fool's errand. Pretending that trans people wouldn't be on the chopping block if the Democrats had federal office is naive.
Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/13/democrats-moderates-transgender-issues-strategy-00189123
Yes, as we all know, the Federal government the past 30 years has become more hostile to trans folk every time those damn dirty Dems have been in office!
Utterly delusional.
Yes we all know that trans rights got stronger under Joe Biden and his administration was able to enshrine strong trans protections.... Oh wait.
Those Democrats have done so much to help pull us into a new enlightened age and definitely haven't let Republican policies stand every single time they got back into office.
Are they getting better with your abstinence?
Yep let's keep voting in the people that promise to do something about it and then they do nothing about it like they've done for the last 20 plus years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1grcztm/voter_distribution_in_us_2024_presidential/
Congratulations you highlighted voter apathy. A very well known problem in the United States.
Care to explain how your strategy of harm reduction supposed to energize the Electoral it and get them out voting again when that strategy completely failed in 2024?
It's almost like we should do something different than try to convince people to vote in the system that doesn't work for them, that burns everybody out
STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PROPOSE SOMETHING VIABLE, CHAMP!!!!
Hey how that strategy of vote or lose the US to facisim work out?
We ready to do something different or just keep trying to same losing strat?
I am aware, and tankies like you are stoking it and abandoning this key front in our [class] war.
Id like you to answer why watching removing the few political blocks we could put on ICE, abortion removal, and LGBT rights is a good move? I live in a place with a large Hispanic population. Please visit and tell the kids that you were to pure to hold your nose on election day and that them being afraid of showing up to an empty home one day is just how it needs to be.
Tankies just aren't serious people and bad allies.
Yeah the second International thought electoralism was really important too. They were wrong.
I would be happy to teach those kids all about Marx's Theory and the different ways ways that they can survive and how to hide and survive in this government.
I'd especially love to point out that you think voting is the most important thing you can do. Going to be really fun when you find out that nobody really cares how you voted since it doesn't really affect material conditions especially once the election is over.
I'd love for you to sit there and explain why the Democrat Party isn't doing anything more for those Hispanic kids. Maybe you can explain to them why the Democrats allowed the covid Protections in 2022 to expire that significantly helped Hispanic families? Maybe you can explain why the Democratic party isn't doing anything to obstruct Trump's policies. Maybe you can explain to these Hispanic kids that when the Democrats on the opportunity to abolished ice they wouldn't.
Radlibs are hopeless idealized fools that think voting and compromise can solve the world's problems. Marxist and Anarchist are actually aware of the work that needs to be done and are completely aware of the hostilities the government will have in trying to make anything better for anybody except the capitalist class.
You're not an ally to these people. You're a wolf in sheep's clothing walking the path to Hell paved with good intentions.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. They didn't fix everything, including things that weren't being threatened while they were in power. I'm going to use my energy to try to get people to not vote or vote 3rd party so we can ensure even longer Republican control of our nation and even more persecution against trans people. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!"
Holy fucking shit, do you not remember what things were like in the 90s and 2000s?
What am I saying? Asking an ML to understand recent history? I might as well ask a dog to play the fucking guitar.
I think both of those sentences are true. But the question for me when choosing isn’t whether or not the Democrats would be acceptably tolerant and inclusive. It is whether their opponents would be WAY fucking worse or not. And hell fucking yes they would be and are!
It comes down to the fact that our flawed voting system causes the dichotomy, but that flawed voting system is next to impossible to change. I could see a legit revolution happening before that ever does. I just made a big comment explaining it on another meme post if you want to check my history.
I stand by my statement.
Yes the flawed voting system is a major problem which is why we should put no effort into maintaining it and should put all of our effort into maintaining local organizations to make up for the fact that our government wants to cut all social spending.
The fascists are here. They aren't knocking down the door. They're in the White House. And the strategy of voting the Democrats to prevent the fascist from Gaining power has failed.
The Democrats have learned no lessons and it's now up to the people to create a whole new system of power but if people are looking for something to do in the moment one should be focused on their local organizations that actually do something for their community instead of the DNC and other electoral political organizations that do nothing but waste people time on trying to stall the death of a Dying System that is already delivered us into the hands of fascists.
Oh and if you're voting for the Democrats because they're supposed to save the minorities that's on the chopping block too. They're ready to sacrifice everybody for power.
I can’t disagree with much there!
I just want to point out the sometimes-overlooked fact that we are also here (delivered to hands of fascists) because so god damn many Americans wanted it. Arguably the voting system worked great because most of the voters wanted the guy who promised a racist dictatorship.
That doesn’t necessarily change how we respond to the situation now (I am local focused for sure), and yeah maybe there was election rigging and cheating so it shouldn’t have gone this way… but damn do we have a culture problem moreso than a political system problem.
Granted a lot of the culture problem is the direct result of politics, and all the propaganda and media influence that people don’t even realize is attracting their political beliefs. Stuff us complicated for sure.
I think it's cute that you believe it's easier to "create a whole new system of power" than it is to reform a political party by primarying bad actors that don't do what their constituents want, which has literally been done multiple times in American history and was just done to the Republican party by conservative voters over the last 2 decades.
Pick up a history book.
Or start a revolution yourself. I'm sure people will follow you....
Never said its easy. Just said that we need to start.
I have picked up a history book. I have watched people with small groups make massive changes and they didn't rely on electoralism as the first front or an important front in their battle for liberty. This strategy is only pushed by privileged liberals that think they can wait out each administration to just vote the better candidate in while the minorities suffer due to lack of local organization.
Those of us on the ground know better which is why were are helping our local communities now.
The dems as a whole wouldn't be moving back as quickly. If your in one of the groups you'd be better off being in a delicate but protected class rather than persecuted. Having obstruction to arms shipments would help Palestinians.
So back to you, how's not voting achieving anything? Its proven to be a strategic blunder. Tamkies that say otherwise aren't serious people.
Non voting has been the biggest block for several election cycles now.
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
What an asinine statement.
People aren't voting because they're Marxist and they're taking a principal position against electoralism. People aren't voting because they know their vote doesn't count.
People like me aren't the problem. My goal is to get people energized and involved in local politics which is vastly more important than the stupid electoral politics that this community keeps pushing. The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let's just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
harm reduction doesn't work if it did Trump wouldn't be in office.
harm reduction isn't going to get people to vote people couldn't be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
The DNC have systematically shut down the progressive wing and we have less progressives in office now than we did in 2016.
Our institutions have abandoned us to the wolves and we need to build new ones. The faster y'all recognize that the faster that work can finish
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
No show has been the biggest block of voters pretty much every election for decades now. Their votes don't count because they are not voting for them to be counted.
Marginalized communities were 100% under dem control. Not in ideal conditions, but not being hunted.
In none of my comments I have said that voting is the only front. I am saying it is one of many and a very important one. Tankies like yourself are discouraging people from showing up and giving even more control to the far right. It makes you some very bad allies. Hispanics would not be hunted for sport. Abortion rights not rolled back as quickly. Palestine might have a better chance if we could block arms shipments fueling their destruction.
It's always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you're damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I'd say it's a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
They literally introduce bills to provide rights to trans people.
Gee I wonder why they had to do that in the Trump Administration and not in the Biden Administration when they had the ability to codify these things?
Such a mystery 🤔
Because the Trump administration is threatening trans rights and the Biden administration wasn't.
Are you ignorant enough to think an administration is going to categorically plug every hole in our system in the short periods that they're in power? Especially if those holes aren't being taken advantage of during the time they are in power?
Also, if you actually learned how to read you would have noticed on the link I provided that the bill was introduced during Biden's presidency after Republicans regained control of the House and started trying to pass anti-trans bills so Democrats responded by introducing this Trans Bill of Rights, which the Republican controlled House rejected.
Learn to read.
Wow that would be hilarious If the Trump administration wasn't taking advantage of every hole
So are the democrats always this incompetent or did they save it for when we really needed their protection?
Also one person of the extreme progressive party doesn't not make a party especially when that person is vastly in the minority and the majority of dems are pushing against trans rights as noted by my article that was published months after that amendment was introduced.