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The left doesn't worship their politicians as the second coming of Jesus Christ son of God.
And even if we did, Bill fucking Clinton isn't on the left
Oh yes they do. Lenin, Mao Zedong and (to a much lesser extent) AOC and Bernie.
Rose tinted glasses fit on the heads of everyone.
The guy who wrote:
"Leftwing communism, an infantile disorder."?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Left-Wing%22_Communism%3A_An_Infantile_Disorder?
The difference between worship and respect is that one is earned and the other is not.
If you worship someone you follow them unconditionally no matter what they do. They can openly brag about molesting women, they can get convicted felonies in 34 counts, they can make life hell for a large part of the population, and someone who worships that person will just lap it all up and follow right along.
Contrary to that, respect can be lost quite quickly, as seen with a lot of people who were very popular with left-wingers. 10 years ago most leftwingers loved Musk. How many left-wingers do you see that still worship Musk and follow his every mood?
Same holds true with every other person on the left who failed. They are gone in an instant.
The former communist bloc took a lot longer than an instant. Their leaders were worshiped by some of the population.
North Korea is far left and their leader and his family are almost deities.
Uff... again someone who thinks that politics are binary and left is left and right is right. Sure, a leader cult dictator is exactly the same as a liberal social democracy. All the same, correct?
The North Korean political system is close to identical to Nazi Germany. Another "far left" country then, correct?
We all know that liberty, freedom of personal expression and equality are the main ideals of North Korea, correct?
This is the exact opposite of what I am saying.
The left/right spectrum is being conflated with the authoritarian/libertarian spectrum.
I've given many examples to counter the claim that "the left" won't worship a leader.
Wish I could still be this delusional. Ignorance really is bliss.
Not all leftists are the same, mate. For example, anarchists would love to kill the Bolsheviks. Bolsheviks would just love to kill everyone. Look at the history of Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War, then tell me if they did not even shoot at each other at any point.
Oh, and did they. Bolsheviks who spoke out about the abuses of the Bolsheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries (ya know, actual left wing communists), Anarchists (every stripe), Soviet delegates, workers who went on strike, the Kronstadt sailors (Heros of the Revolution), peasants who fought expropriations, you looked at me funny...
The list is almost endless.
Exactly my point. Yet some here are claiming that no-one on the left will ever worship an authoritarian figure.
I'm showing that some on the left already have.
Context makes it clear we're talking about liberals in the US today.
Your point is pointlessly pedantic.
To claim that the US left will never worship a leader is baseless and false.
Tankies. For the first two you're thinking of tankies. They're not leftists, they're commie-boos who simp for regimes they were lucky enough not to live through just because they're anti-US and have the same oppression kink as the right-wing trolls.
Tankies are definitely authoritarian loving, but I would still put them on the left wing more than the right wing.
The subject is worship, or maybe even "deify", so no we fucking don't.
I guarantee if Bernie/AOC did 1% of the things Trump does, their support would evaporate. I know I personally would support their primary challengers...
AOC has 9 million followers. That's quite a lot of worshipping.
But, I'm not trying to compare to Trump, either in popularity or actions. I'm just saying the left does not have immunity against the cult of personality. The worshipping that has occurred on the right in the US has also occurred on the left in other countries.
Your definition of worship is weirdly loose. Like bizarrely loose. Following someone on Twitter, which is a weird thing to do in itself because why would you be on a Nazi website which says a lot about her I think, doesn't mean you worship them. Do I worship windy.com because I'm subscribed to their weather app? Your neighbor says hi to you where they worshiping you? Oh I turned on the TV I was worshiping anything I'm watching. What just a completely ludicrous definition.
The context here is conservatives who worship Donald Trump to the point where they build golden Idols for him. And you're comparing getting alerts when someone post a message as the same thing. Wow
It's almost like... they've taken a different definition of the word to fit a narrative! But that can't be right, they're clearly discussing this in good faith!
My definition of worship is calibrated to Trump. It is liking someone for their personality, not their policies or actions.
AOC is worshiped. Bernie less so. Obama a lot more so. However you define Trump worship, you can find (less extreme) parallels on the left.
This is not criticism. The whole job of a politicians is to be worshiped, so that you are given the power to enact your policies.
It's clearly not calibrated Trump. Because I've never seen anyone make a golden idol to Bernie Sanders. Obama hats and flags aren't flying all over my neighborhood. Nobody bases their entire persona around Cortez. So if you're calibrated to Trump your comparison is ridiculous.
From 0 to Trump, this is about a 3.
I'm not claiming the left's worshiping is equivalent to OMGTrumpMAGA, but it undeniably exists.