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this post was submitted on 18 Dec 2025
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Constantly yelling about how much you hate AOC and Zohran is not productive and I think most people find it weird. I honestly think communists think more about Zohran and AOC than people who live in NYC
I don't think anyone in this forum actually likes them or think they're going to actually change anything. But the non stop posts about "ERM I WANT IT ON THE RECORD I CALLED IT THAT ZOHRAN IS GONNA BETRAY EVERYONE!!!" is annoying
Its annoying discourse We've already all agreed that Zohran is a demsoc, DSA guy HE RAN ON THAT Nobody ever thought he was anything else
I'm not talking about "most people", just the leftists on here. If people here find it weird that some people really hate succdem imperialists, then IMO that's strange of them. You're right that this post was pointless, but it shouldn't have been controversial. I'd rather not rehash all the old stuff too, we can wait until the next time he says something massively chauvinistic to criticize him and just ignore him in the meantime.
Sadly people on here have and do defend Zohran (this same post about AOC or Bernie would generate zero controversy). Usually "well he's only the mayor so what if he's bad on non-local issues" style arguments.
He's also not a demsoc. He's just another social democrat, and not even a very radical one. People hate on AOC here every time she's brought up and anyone who tried to defend her would rightfully be dismissed. Give it some time and that will likely be the case with Zohran as well.
soc dems and dem socs are the same thing, they both accomplish the same thing of keeping capitalism in place
I don't think anyone disagrees with the post I think people are annoyed its posted once a week.
people are saying people disagree with it, but I have never seen that for the two months I've been here. But I could have missed it
Just for context (I know yer comment was from hours ago), but yeah you missed a lot of this stuff having just joined in October. The primaries were in June, and there are MANY people who felt extremely passionate about the guy. Like essentially expressing that he was going to change the face of American politics. The naysayers (such as myself) first started off like "I doubt that anything will come of this, it is American electoralism after all, but if it does that will be so great! Let's see where it goes" and then we were called wreckers and ultras and shit for not being in absolute frenzied support lol. We have been straight up called ignorant and other much less nice names when actually trying to engage in good faith discourse.
So us naysayers have gotten more aggressive over it, especially since he has walked so much back without even being in office.. And I think that within the past couple of months the dogmatists have just gotten quiet because every statement or he has made has been terrible. Some people do still claim that he is doing 5D chess to take the bourgeois by surprise and kick start the revolution or whatever, though. And I think our point, rather than this ACTUALLY being aboit Mamdani, is that people who are claiming to be Marxists are throwing materialist analysis into the trashcan in order to uncritically support him. Thats worth debating IMO.
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People definitely disagree, otherwise it would fall off the front page with 5 comments every time it gets posted. People who aren't interested in hearing about it would mostly just ignore it if the criticism of Mamdani didn't bother them. I'm also tired of hearing about it, as you say.
I think so. Its easy to miss threads on here. The defense of Mamdani was A LOT more obvious a few months ago, people mostly argue and defend him indirectly now because he's shown his ass so many times. However, you can tell who still likes him because they're the same people who openly defended him when he first got controversial on here.
As I have said before, for users in New York, you can have your chauvinist mayor and he can improve your life a bit. That's OK. But you should at the very least acknowledge that he's a chauvinist and accept that people hate him because of that. And those people, especially if they aren't Americans, have a right to do so.