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It's all in good fun, but you do have to remember that they are just as entitled to say "If you deny that Soviet Russia commit a genocide against Ukraine, you are, by definition, a genocide denier."
They'll be completely wrong on the basis of facts and historical material reality of course, and similarly obviously we'll be right, but they can in fact say that. And they do, very frequently and annoyingly.
They're not entitled to, but they do it anyway.
Yep but that’s what we’re making fun of… this one gives a perfect response to that.
I do like proposing the Dust Bowl in the 1930s was a genocide to these people though, and watch them evade.
Here’s my comment about it:
Prisoners in the United States jumped from 120,284 in 1923 to 210,418 in 1933. (Source (p. 210))
Executions increased to 197, the highest number in US history, in 1935. (Source)
The U.S. forcibly deported one million of its own citizens to Mexico in the 1930s. Source
Since you’re probably using an intentionally ridiculous US estimate, I’ll use an intentionally ridiculous Russian estimate and say that seven million people died from the Great Depression. This Russian estimate uses the same intentionally ridiculous methodology of the U.S. one.
Put together, why isn’t this enough to declare that a genocide happened in the U.S.?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2765209/
https://jech.bmj.com/content/66/5/410.abstract?sid=5c77edc9-6cfa-4154-be20-8272b1ca03b4
It doesn't outline starvation deaths specifically, but these are fairly in-depth looks at excess mortality in the US at the time.
Even with that, the famine deaths in communist states are inflated by bullshit like births that didn't happen.
I mean, yeah. Just like I, and most others, also deny the City of Boston is committing genocide against red-haired people.
They're using genocide denial as a term to equivocate anything else to Holocaust denial.