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Putin says Russia ready to hold talks on the future of Ukraine
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The previous regime which we also installed
The previous government had running infrastructure, hospitals, electricity, clean water, etc. before the American regime bombed them and plunged the region into chaos so as to install puppet governments that allowed the U.S regime to pillage their resources and inflate the stock portfolios of the war criminals that run the American regime.
Zero justification for supporting the actions of the American terrorist regime.
um nobody here is praising Joe Biden
You're really conflating seething hatred for America destroying a country with praise for Saddam Hussein? You reactionaries really can't see in anything beyond binary terms, can you?
Saddam was fucking atrocious, but Iraq had working infrastructure under him (and his rise to power was aided by the US, so he was another pawn)
They had that torn apart courtesy of America and are only just building back
Sorry, we're all out of empathy here in the west. Try getting better bootstraps, thirdworlders.
No I got no love for what the US and the allies did to Iraq, but what good is the the running water they had for the dead Kurds? From the start, my argument was they are better off now. Not that they are in paradise now.
Better off how? I pointed out their power grid is shit, their water table is contaminated, their buildings are bombed out, and everything but their oil has been privatized. Materially, they're fucked 3 ways to Sunday.
If you're trying to still make digs about 'supporting Saddam killing Kurds' or w/e, I'll point out again that Saddam had the full backing of the US until Kuwait
And you can get rid of people like him without invading the country and tearing it asunder
It's almost like european powers pit ethnic groups against eachother to destabilize resource-rich regions.
The Americans did not care about the people Saddam killed, and they killed millions more Iraqis then he ever did, you're a delusional racist and a war worshiping dipshit
It's true, the number of times i heard "glass the middle east" as a child comprehensively destroyed for me the idea of america as a force for anything good, and of americans as an aggregate being anything but a swarm of stupid bloodthirsty assholes once they get activated.
I have hope for the individuals, but as a collective identity? No more American, the world does not need American.
According to who?
Apparently this bozo's feelings
Motherfucker is acting like all libs, like this is some marvel movie shit to them where after the US got Saddam, all the 'good guys' stood on top of a building in downtown Baghdad at night and said 'We have hope now' and then the credits rolled
They forgot this is real life
Jan 6th is America's Libya moment, and China should missile strike the US airforce and establish a no-fly zone over North America to insure the U.S. regime can't kill their insurgents
Then why are you fucking defending their presence there like five minutes ago?
They don't have functional infrastructure 20 years after the war and they did under Saddam. You really think the US was interested in anything besides cannibalizing the country for resources?
edit: Oh yeah, they were interested in one other thing: handing lucrative ”rebuilding” contracts to corporations like Halliburton with direct ties to the Bush admin.
Hey quick question, what's worse: opposing the US empire, or being the US empire and giving Saddam Hussein chemical weapons to attack Iran?
What the fuck? There isn’t a single word of praise for any thing or anyone in that comment are you this fucking delusional???
What your feelings on the state of Israel?
"oh shid oh fuck I wandered outside my echo chamber oh shiiiiiiiii"
I'm with you. It's not fair to make judgments based on the material reality of people's lives. You clearly said the word dictator, which means bad guy from an exotic locale. You won the argument. What are all these commies talking about?
The Iraq war and the aftermath probably killed more Iraqis than Saddam's entire reign.
Without a doubt. The war led to millions of deaths
Fucking libs, man. Give them the slightest push against their preconceived notions and they immediately start slinging shit instead of relating to the arguments at hand.
"Hey here's some facts about how life was measurably better before we bombed the shit out of Iraq".
"Whatever you love Saddam".
You would have supported the Iraq war. You would have supported the Vietnam war. You would have supported the Kent state shootings. You would have eagerly reported local communists during the red scare.
Please acquire some critical thinking skills you cretin
I remember when "Saddam lover" was something libs made fun of right wingers for throwing out willy nilly
Then Obama got elected and suddenly anyone who even asks questions about Syria is an Assad lover
Bitch, you're the one saying the genocidal slaughter and immiseration of millions of Iraqis is a good thing.
Iraq's power grid took until 2008 to return to the capacity it could generate prior to the first Gulf War over a decade and a half prior where the US needlessly destroyed their power grid, and it still can't meet demand in the summer
It has depleted uranium in it's groundwater from American munitions
It had ISIS/ISIL attack it
Millions were displaced, hundreds of thousands were killed, and it got privatized into oblivion by IMF/World bank loans with greedy contractors like Halliburton licking their chops
I'm pretty sure it is much worse then it was pre American involvement
There's plenty of shitty government around the world, including a bunch the US actively supports. It doesn't give the US the right to kick the door down and subject the people there to more instability and violence to further their geopolitical goals under the guise of "humanitarianism".
The yank has an opinion on what constitutes democracy
So if Russia installs a regime better than the current one, their invasion is ok then?
Also lol at not knowing the USA installed the Iraqi government.
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