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Tampa man wrongfully imprisoned for nearly four decades to receive $14m
(www.theguardian.com)
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That's an interesting take. What do you recommend be done with criminals? Especially violent ones?
have you heard of restorative justice? it's a studied method that's proven more effective than prisons to rehabilitate offenders and heal the harm they've caused
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And when people are repeat offenders and enjoy killing people? Then what...
Then you lock them together with the people who did lesser crimes and can be rehabilitated to ensure they too will end up more likely to do crimes, maybe even bigger ones, when eventually released.
You seem to be intentionally obtuse.
It's a legitimate question, though. There are many people who genuinely enjoy harming others. There really is no "rehabilitation" for someone who is disinterested in modifying their harmful behavior. Segregating those people from society is a safety issue.
Rehabilitation for other people is excellent, but we still need a solution for those who cannot be rehabilitated.
Well, considering we don’t actually have any rehabilitation in the United States….. you’re basically arguing that we should continue to trample on the human rights of prisoners because you believe that there are people who can not be rehabilitated.
I'm not arguing against rehab or prison reform. You are right that we desperately need it. I'm arguing against the total abolishment of some kind of prison system because there are some who simply should not be allowed near the public. Porque no los dos?
Both are possible, but until we have an actual rehabilitation system we will continue to incarcerate innocent people I suppose
True. Sad, but true.
Please provide your evidence of "many people" who deserve your version of justice.
even if only one person proved utterly disinterested in rehabilitating themselves, you'd still need some kind of escape hatch built into the system to handle them
getting bogged down in specific frequencies is kind of missing the point
This is just the very first result in a litany of numerous results in a quick internet search for this. It seems there is no shortage of research on this topic available for you to read directly without my potential contamination of it. But, here's a preview for you. Hope this helps.
A 2021 meta-analysis conducted by international scholars from Spain, Bulgaria, Sweden and the UK found a significant portion of the human population to be psychopaths as defined by the PCL-R.
Regarding the significance of psychopathy among people found guilty of a crime or incarcerated, they mention:
It's important to note that I am not espousing a "version of justice" as you put it. My concern is simply with segregating harmful people from potential victims to prevent additional harm.
Science has discovered many (primarily) men in leadership roles (politics, business, etc) are sociopaths.
Does that mean they're supposed to be jailed as well ... because nothing you've listed there talks about that.
The claim isn’t that psychopaths must be jailed. It’s that psychopaths must be jailed when they engage in criminal behavior, because the non-jailing methods for rehabilitating people don’t work in psychopaths.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Is that effectiveness based on statistical aggregations?
Because if so, the system’s not adhering to the necessary design constraint of “must handle all possible human behavior”.
Pass a law that says you can't be a violent criminal.
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So mars will become Australia 2.0
I wonder if space Australia will have space dingos and space kangaroos...
Don't worry. It has no magnetosphere. Even in environmentally-enclosed shelters, you'd still see horrific rates of cancer and other such radiation-induced disease rapidly wiping out complex life like humans.
Whew! We made the world a better place and all it took was nuclear annihilation at scale.
This gives some people moral superiority over others. It means some randos that are also very flawed and, living in a western society, for sure contribute to climate change, the killing of animals and indirectly humans, can say "this person did something bad".
You just cant do that. Court is not a place for justice, it is often biased, emotionally and ideologically tinted, and no judge is objective.
if that's the argument you're using against prisons, can't i, a dastardly doer of crimes, simply reject any form of consequence for my actions, since you're still going about contributing to global warming through your addiction to being alive and existing in society?
Was just an example that nobody is perfect enough to reasonably judge other people
Right, but if we're going down that route, how do you enact any form of consequence when I decide to go about crime-ing people? Anything you try to force on me I can refuse with "nobody is perfect enough to reasonably judge other people".
I can't help but feel this is a death penalty with extra steps: ACME edition... 😅
I was waiting for Wiley E. Coyote to show up.
No no, see a penalty is inherently reactive. This is proactive!
Two words (and an article): Restorative Justice
its a long article and i cant read
what do you do about cases where the victim doesnt want to engage in a dialogue with the offender?
If you can't read, here's an online article reader you can use. Just select the entire content of the article and paste it as plain text on that site
The short answer to your question is that it's complicated - in the systems where restorative justice has the most potential to change things, it's still quite a radical approach and there's a lot to be figured out.
One way of addressing the problem you raise is that sometimes "surrogate victims" are used - people who have been victims of the same or similar crime. Apparently this has been quite effective in some instances, but ideally usage of this should be limited - one of the ongoing challenges is ensuring that the rehabilitation of offenders doesn't take precedence over the kind of two way healing that restorative justice is meant for
we shoot you straight into the phantom zone
...Which is a prison
anything can be a prison for you if you make it one yourself
you need to think more positively