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I am entirely convinced that this movement was started by rich oligarchy to get the poors to 'breed' themselves out of existence.
People will be fucking and having kids regardless. The people who never really wanted kids anyway just fall back on this as an excuse rather than being honest with themselves or are too lame to just say no rather than feeling like they need to justify it. I'll admit, it's a convenient excuse that gives yourself a nice big virtue signalling pat on the back though.
It’s more to do with the collapse of civilization. I have kids, but if I knew then, what I know now, I wouldn’t have had them.
I think having kids is an entirely selfish act and anyone who has them knowing they will likely be dead in 30 years because of our decisions is a terrible person
Some of us had them before we knew the extent of the damage. I’ve apologized repeatedly to my kids, and they are well aware of their future.
Oh I wasn’t putting blame on you, you mentioned you wouldn’t do it with what you now know
I am to blame though. I should have been aware.
This sounds terrible!
It is. But better than denying reality.
Well, it doesn't look good, I absolutely agree. But still, you're no fortune teller and world history is full of plot twists. Christianity went from a strange little hippie-cult to a world religion in no time, and noone saw that coming. Germany reuniting? Not in a 1000 years, said everyone a year before it actually happened. I'm too lazy to find more examples, because this is not my native language. You get my point: We don't know! Let veganism conquer the world, maybe! Telling your children we're doomed feels so desperate and grim. But there is always hope. I'm not doomed at this very moment, so let's do something! Grow a tomato, hug your child, take a walk, punch a fascist, blow up a pipeline. :)
The Club of Rome predicted the future back in 1972. We are currently in the “business as usual” track. Although we have made modest improvements to carbon emissions, that will not stop collapse. You cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet:
And the reason you don’t know about any of this, Why Media Ignores the Coming Disaster
I know all of this! I just refuse to lay down and give up like a rabbit in the headlights. We're not hungry, not cold, not in survival-mode, yet. We're still the lucky ones, so let's live up to that. You can cry when our time has actually come.
I’m not crying. I came to terms with collapse 5 years ago. I love my children, we have fun and discuss the world’s situations. But I don’t give them false hope. I’m preparing them to live in a sustainable community. “Doomer” is a made up word that only serves apathy. Fight for change to mitigate the damage.
I wish you and your children the best and hope you're wrong, that our path is not that determined yet.
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Don't worry, we're banning abortion so you don't have to be selfish to have kids.
Consume less doomer content mate lol.
Cheating with Kurzgesagt but there's plenty to back it all up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348 - Human Pop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgMdjyw8uw - Climate Change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIRuqr_Ozg - Nuclear War
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide check https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_620_original_image/public/2022-06/IPCC_AR6_WGI_TS-CO21950-2100.gif?itok=saFYe6xs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_emissions check https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/1850-_Annual_emissions_of_carbon_dioxide%2C_by_country.svg/800px-1850-_Annual_emissions_of_carbon_dioxide%2C_by_country.svg.png
Most of this is just CO2 as well. Not even Methane which we're getting on top of now too. Turns out renewable energy + batteries is OP.
Everything is under control, just don't look up
Right.? Self-deception is a helluva drug.
One of the many reasons we weren’t able to get on top of climate change is it’s a long term process. Actions we take now, have consequences in years to come. We are making progress with the human causes of climate change, but if you’re looking at actual temperature change, the result, you’ll need to look ahead
Similar with population growth. Previous generations couldn’t comprehend climate because it was too far in th pe future, too long term. I think it’s similar with current generation and population change. Global society has already changed to lock in a decrease in population and some countries may se enough to be destabilized, but you’re not going to see those effects yet. Look a little farther in the future for the effects, and they are there. I’d argue it’s getting to be time to try to reverse DEpopulation. Sure, we’ll grow for a few more decades until bigger generations die off and current generations of less than replacement come to dominate, but we’ve already done this. Now’s the time to make changes if we want to control collapsing population in 50 years
The problem is even if we 100% fix climate change we are still gonna devastate the planet, well kill off our society at the least. Like we can't destroy ecosystems and expect no repercussions down the foodchain, we can't keep overfishing and expect fish to still be there, and we can't expect our crops to grow when we destroy the topsoil viability. We are fucked
There have always been existential threats and it’s certainly true now, but it hasn’t happened yet. A bit of a tautology, but where there’s hope, there’s hope. As long as we don’t give up, as long as we tackle the important issues ahead, as long as we can picture the society that can live past it, we can make it happen
Who is we? We seem intent on killing 99% of us to keep 1% happy
... This is addressed in 4/5 of the links I posted lol.
Right cause ~ 5% of energy being generated by renewables is such a big help!!
Do any of you cite or do you just enjoy clinging to doomer YouTube videos with sketchy sources and a reach so far they may as well be Mr. Fantastic? Propaganda hitting y'all hard.
Most first world nations are far above 5%. I see some 10-20 year old data that suggests around 5... we are well above that in the USA, let alone the world.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/renewable-energy
https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/how-renewable-energy-is-transforming-the-global-electricity-supply.html
38% of electricity. Check here it says about 15% is "renewable" energy (which still relies on fossil fuels to be constructed) and its not like the demand for fuel/electricity is slowing down, its rapidly increasing!
Nuclear is zero-emission clean energy mate... I love how you're all just wrong, constantly, but goalposts shift again and again while you just ignore my already placed sources that cover everything you're all talking about.
Be a concern troll, be a propagandist, do you mate, it's Lemmy lmfao. Either way, to all the doomers out there, it's bullshit.
The vast majority of humanity will keep going down the right path, despite apocalypticists heralding the end of civilization every year since Jesus was doing it. Avoiding the worst of 4 degrees of warming has already been mitigated and we're on a trend to keep it going lower and lower, because people DO care about our futures, because we're those people lmfao.
Climate change being real doesn't mean having to be a jaded cynic.
What? Nuclear is included in my 15% figure. Also do some research, anyone with half a brain in climate science is terrified.
Are you interpreting your quote wrong? What do you think 38% of electricity and 15% renewable means vs what I quoted?
Yeah, because of the refugee crisis it presents for coastal nations and poor middle-mid latitudes which is already an issue. Not because the world will end lol.
Since logic won't work, maybe I'll just try have to use social media on y'all too via science memes.
https://mander.xyz/post/10840974
Electricity is not the only energy. Do you run your car with Electricity? Can you make steel with solar panels? Can you create fertilizer with wind turbines?? The last time we had as much CO2 in the atmosphere as today the climate was IIRC 4-6°C warmer than today and sea levels were meters above where they are today. If the predictions are correct we are on track for RCP 8.5 a.k.a. we are fucked and don't even realize it yet
Renewables won't stop the oil companies from selling their product. But I'm optimistic for different reasons; ol Zuck is making sure he's the tastiest billionaire on the menu with his wagyu diet.
That fails the logic test. The rich oligarchy may look down on the rest of us, exploit us, disrespect us, but they also need us and they know it. There’s a much better argument for them needing an ever growing class of the down trodden, uneducated, gullible consumers
People are waaaaaaaay less needed than you think mate.
Almost every manufacturing job can be done with automation. Most other jobs comes from service industry, healthcare, education... The population stablizing on it's own is already great, but to maintain a functional advancing civilization doesn't require the 10.4 billion people our population is expected to stop at in 2100.
Regardless, it's less about getting people to not have kids so there's less poors. It's more about a cruel joke where the rich have tricked the poor into thinking they can't have kids then they self defeat themselves. Meanwhile they get to keep having them and it's the laughingrichpeople.jpg . The poor are always going to outnumber them just from a numbers game. It's more about how funny they'd think it that the people who benefit the most from a civilization, the smartest of the lower class, aren't having children causing them to 'breed themselves out of existence.'