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It's really not a big deal.
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Who cares what a bunch of savage pillagers would have wanted?
What I'm sure of is that the forefathers of modern civilization, the Romans, would have fucking loved trans folks.
I mean, the Romans were just industrialized pillagers. Who cares what they would have thought.
Yeah! What have the romans ever done for us?!
I mean, if you’re going to disregard the contributions of Viking culture because they were notorious for their pillaging, it’s only fair to disregard Rome, whose entire economy was based on systematized pillaging.
Both cultures have contributions, but the wholesale massacre of other civilizations gets a pass when we discuss Rome for some reason.
Give it another 50 years and you can substitute British for American
Why the need for 50 years?
'Cause America is just getting started, baby!
They gave us roads.
Well yeah, obviously the roads. The roads go without saying, don’t they?
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asdfasfasfasfasSee, even in stuff that was just secondary to them, they were better!
So, you're talking about the people that emulated greek culture as they viewed it as more refined than their own?
Yeah! I mean they took a good idea and spread it around way more effectively than the Greeks did
The Apple of ancient Europe
The Greeks were isolationists. Each city-state considered itself the center of the world. It wasn't on their list of priorities to share or spread their culture, unless it involved complete obliteration by conquest.
No joke, didn't Nero marry a trans woman?
More like forcibly feminized a young slave that resembled his late wife, whom he had beaten to death. I wouldn't exactly hold him up as an ally.
Holy shit, that took a turn.
Most shit with Nero was pretty gnarly if I remember correctly, he was the person most scholars of that period agree the Antichrist in revelation is supposed to be, that in particular may have primarily been because he implemented taxes on religious organizations though… again it’s been a while since I studied either but I do remember Nero being fucked up even by the standards of Roman emperors
A lot of the trash talk about him was made up by Christian historians, I'm pretty sure the "beating his pregnant wife to death" is confirmed, or at the very least heavily debated, to be one of the made up bullshit. And yes, it's generally believed that he is the "beast" from Revelation butt again that's because of the early Christian hate. It's probably because he accused the early Christian sect of causing the fire of Rome (which we're still not sure they didn't), and the whole "throwing them to lions" thing, and they fought back by spreading shit about him.
Marrying a castrated slave lover is legit though, and IINM I think Nero was the one dressed as the bride.
Yeah I’m not trying to say that the early Christian’s were being 100% forthright about it, and like I said I’m way rusty so maybe I shouldn’t of said anything, but considering what we can say we know about him in terms of deeds, makes him at minimum a big piece of shit, I’m inclined to believe he might have done some fucked up shit to others given his power as an emperor and how that usually works in history.
Dude could shred, though.
Not better than that boy from Georgia
My bad.
Idk if he did, but he definitely should have
They very much did not. Like violence against cybelian circles and everything against Elagabalus. Julius Caesar would’ve though
It's not about caring what Vikings wanted, it's just illustrating it was found even in some of the most ancient and "less civilized" cultures. The point being it's not unusual, new, or unique to our culture.
The problem here is none of y'all know shit about Vikings. Or Northmen. Or whatever you want to call them.