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That's a pretty cold take, let me heat it up for you:
AES states should just outright ban Western religions. A Western country has a revolution? Yup, they ban their own religion.
Credit where it is due, you did as advertised. That said, I think it is basically idealist to just ban western religions like they represent a significantly greater problem to the task of building communism than Eastern religions. There are some specific religions that need to be struggled against (the first step is probably not banning them), most notably Catholicism for its centralized organization around the reactionary institution of the Vatican, but it's pure orientalism to think that whatever blase protestantism is really more of a threat to Vietnamese communism than Buddhism is.
Ah, I get it.
They should ban all earth-based religions and only allow ones that are introduced from space.
What I mean is that priority of aggression should clearly be given to the religions that wield or practically threaten to wield political power, like the Catholic or Orthodox churches, the evangelical bloc in America, and indeed many Eastern religious entities like, uh, Vajrayana Buddhism in Bhutan, for example, or the Tibetan church of old, before the PLA liberated Tibet. Unfortunately I think this puts Theravada on the chopping block since it has great clerical emphasis, but that's just how it is. Reform Jews, miscellaneous protestants, the more decentralized branches of Mahayana, and other such religions are fine, we don't need to gulag Shintoists unless they're the Imperial kind.
But if you take my view as too liberal, then you may as well go banning space religions while you're at it.
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Sorry, I have to say this because you're being so earnest in your responses, but I'm just trolling. I thought it was a completly absurd statement that nobody would take seriously... But a bunch of people ended up agreeing with me, so...I think this board suffers pretty severely from orientalism, so it's not that surprising. The fact that I struggled to condemn a specific Buddhism beyond the state religion of Bhutan is probably some evidence that I, too, orientalize a fair bit. My point is that, however joking you were, people are going to agree with it, so it deserves to be refuted to the extent that I'm able to refute it.
I'm not sure if it's necessarily just Orientalism. Most posters here tend to be Western, white and have probably had some kind of Christianity-adjacent upbringing so they're understandably wary about going off about non-Western religions they're not that familiar with. I don't think many people here would be comfortable declaring that we need to abolish Islam and Judaism either. They just don't want to come across like a Western chauvinist
I think it's just "grass is greener" thinking.
I don't think it's necessary to ban religion outright, but religious institutions need to be completely defanged and decoupled from the levers of power. I think we can keep the more historically and culturally significant traditions around as quaint cultural practices as long as they behave
Reform Jews, not Reformed
My bad. As you can see, it's at the edge of my ken, I've only ever known Jewish people who are so secular that they aren't even in a sect anymore.
It's all good, even the Judaism subreddit (don't go there, it's ass) had a bot that would automatically make this correction when posted, its a common one even for people that are religious/deep in the sects