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TL;DR: actions that society considers morally reprehensible and "corrupt" when carried out by public institutions, are seen as normal and acceptable when it comes to private institutions, so traditional comparisons of "corruption" between capitalism and socialism put socialism at a disadvantage by definition.

1- Let us imagine that I'm a business owner, and I decide to carry out some renovations in my building. I decide that, since I have a reliable friend who owns a renovations company, I will simply carry out the renovation with their company. We sign a contract, the renovation is carried out, the work gets done, the other company gets paid. Nothing out of the norm here.

Now let us imagine the case in which this first business, instead of being owned by me privately, is socialized and owned by the state: a public entity. Some renovations are necessary, so I, as a public administrator, decide to order the renovation to be carried out by a friend... except that's corruption! I need to organize an auction and order impartially from a variety of firms, by lowest expense and by highest level of satisfaction! What is normal and approved in capitalism, is unthinkable and in most instances illegal under the principles of public ownership!

2- Another example: I'm a worker in a private company. One year, the CEO that is put in place by the stockholders, happens to be a former employer of mine, and because they know me and my performance, I get promoted. Meritocracy! Some people even call that "networking", which is a necessary social skill in capitalism and highly regarded in wealthy circles.

Now let us imagine the case of a soviet workplace, in which I'm a worker with excellent performance. The union-approved party member in charge at this time, sees my performance and my contributions and involvement with the union and party, and decides to offer me a promotion. Oh, what a blatant case of dictatorial bureaucracies, in which only party members giving each other favours get to rise to the top! What an unfair and corrupt system!

Whenever we hear these claims of "corruption", "bureaucracy" and such from socialism, please make it a point to compare these events with similar instances in capitalism, and how normalized and approved by the social majority they are. Why do we only expect transparency, efficiency and impartiality from public institutions, but normalize the opposite behaviours in capitalist enterprises?

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[-] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

Public entities are tasked by the people to act in their best interest

Business owners only represent themselves

So, public entities are democratic with the objective of bettering a society, whereas businesses are completely egotistic projects conceived exclusively for the profit of a few. This is exactly why I'm a socialist.

For your 4th paragraph: this can actually qualify as corruption. The CEO is tasked with acting in the shareholders' best interest

Ok, please tell me what CEOs are publicly known that have been convicted because of that. If it's exclusively so "de jura" but not "de facto", it's useless to me. Regardless, in your example it's just because it's a delegation of power from the shareholders to the CEO. If it were the shareholders abusing nepotism, it wouldn't be a case of corruption because they're the owners. That's never the case in the public sector.

Notice how the point of my post isn't to avow corruption in the public sphere, but show how otherwise morally (or even legally) objectionable behaviour is completely normalized in capitalism.

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Not to mention not all companies are publicly traded

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

The majority of companies aren't publicly traded.

this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2024
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