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[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 98 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It's always so sad, yet predictable, when people that get famous become drunk with power and make poor life choices that hurt others. If put to good use, the power these people wield could do so much good.

This world needs more people like Mr. Rogers, Steve Wozniak, and Keanu Reeves. Not this shit.

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 points 34 minutes ago

According to the first video made by the youtuber dogpack404, he had been doing bad things from the begging

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 83 points 5 hours ago

I think in MrBeast's case, he got big precisely because he was willing to hurt and manipulate others, not that he changed once he made it. He seems like a grade A PoS.

The thing I'm most surprised about is that it took so long for the cracks to show.

[-] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 2 points 35 minutes ago

You should never judge the book by its cover, but god those thumbnails always made me very suspicious of him

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 52 minutes ago
[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

Yo what's wrong with the Woz?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 6 hours ago

and Keanu Reeves

Unfortunately, not him either. He's such a big fan of the bigot Graham Hancock that he's involved in Hancock's Netflix series.

And you don't have to believe me about Hancock. There are indigenous Americans that are happy to tell you all about it.

The description for the Secrets of the Ancients program listed on the Chaco filming permit application said the program would explore “one of archaeology’s biggest mysteries: the peopling of the Americas”.

It went on to state: “We’ll uncover the latest findings about the earliest inhabitants of the Americas and reveal remarkable scientific knowledge that’s been handed down for generations. Where did humans settle first in the Americas, and what do we know about them?”

Hancock, who is not an archeologist, has attracted the ire of those in the profession, as well as Native groups, for pushing a theory that an advanced ice age society, responsible for modern understandings of maths, architecture and agriculture, was wiped out by floods triggered by comet strikes nearly 12,000 years ago.

Evidence of this is found at ancient sites around the world, Hancock claims, with the writer visiting such places in countries including Turkey, Mexico and Indonesia in the first season of the Netflix show, aired in 2022. During the show, which Netflix promoted with the tagline “What if everything we know about prehistoric humans is wrong?”, Hancock railed against “mainstream archaeology” for not accepting his theories.

“[Hancock] presents his theories as being superior to what the first inhabitants of the area say about their own history,” said Stewart Koyiyumptewa, tribal historic preservation officer for the Hopi Nation.

The Hopi people have lived in or near the Grand Canyon for at least 2,000 years and claim a sacred site inside the canyon as their place of emergence. They also have strong ties to Chaco Canyon.

A Grand Canyon national park staff member who is Native American also pushed back against issuing a permit to ITN.

“This is embarrassing and a discredit to our agency when we have been working hard to respect Indigenous people and right many historical wrongs,” wrote the staff member in an email to Grand Canyon park management. “This is just degrading.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/01/netflix-ancient-apocalypse-canceled

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 47 points 5 hours ago

Pseudo-Scientific Documentaries of that kind has made me cancel my Netflix subscription over two years ago.

It's a shame what they sell us as facts.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

Why? Ancient apocalypse is a blast to watch.

Granted you have to watch it for the entertainment, god forbid you take stuff like that seriously - but it is very fun!

[-] Sineljora@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 hours ago

Always remember: No one is immune to propaganda

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago

You either die a hero or live long enough to start making bad decisions. And Keanu is hundreds of years old.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 hours ago

“[Hancock] presents his theories as being superior to what the first inhabitants of the area say about their own history,” said Stewart Koyiyumptewa, tribal historic preservation officer for the Hopi Nation.

The Hopi people have lived in or near the Grand Canyon for at least 2,000 years and claim a sacred site inside the canyon as their place of emergence. They also have strong ties to Chaco Canyon.

Obviously Hancock is a crackpot but saying that he offends other people with equally falsified theories is not exactly strong criticism...

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

How about this, then?

IMO that's basically white supremacy. The most generous possible thing you could say is that Hancock is too stupid to recognize racist bullshit when he sees it in terms of things like Quetzalcoatl being a white man (utter bullshit) but I don't think he's that stupid.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Hancock is a con man plain and simple but what part of that makes this more acceptable?

The Hopi people have lived in or near the Grand Canyon for at least 2,000 years and claim a sacred site inside the canyon as their place of emergence.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The fact that it's an indigenous folk belief and not just some crazy guy's white savior ideas?

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

So it’s bullshit, which granted it is pretty harmless, but it’s still bullshit when discussing the origins of people.

It doesn’t deserve to be repeated in an article about someone denying science. That claim also denies science (and common sense).

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The bigger issue is Hancock's idea of indigenous people worshiping a white savior. Check out the excerpts from his book I pasted.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I like how you continue to dodge the fact the indigenous peoples claims they come from a fucking rock is ridiculous when I have already agreed that Hancock is a con man.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Yes, many indigenous folk beliefs don't make sense. But there's a reason punching down is a shitty thing to do. And you are punching down on indigenous people. Maybe just accept that they have a belief that doesn't make sense, since it isn't hurting anyone.

Unlike the racist with the hugely popular Netflix show.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

Seriously? Punching down because I pointed out how unscientific claims should not be repeated as if they hold any weight?

Maybe just accept that they have a belief that doesn't make sense, since it isn't hurting anyone.

No. Treating idiotic claims as if they had any merit because you see them as harmless is dangerous. All misinformation is harmful.

Unlike the racist

I know this is super difficult for you to comprehend because of how terminally online you are but I never disputed that Hancock is a racist. That isn’t even an argument that is happening outside of your head.

I know you’re the most terminally online person on lemmy (and second is a distant place) but get some perspective please. I suggest you touch grass.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 51 minutes ago

I never said you disputed it.

But since you think there is a danger in this indigenous belief, please tell me what it is.

I would say that it wouldn't be in even the top 100 dangers indigenous people have faced and continue to face when it comes to the people that colonized the Americas.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

You still haven’t admitted the claim they came from some rocks is bullshit. You just keep dodging like the terminally online redditor you really are.

Seriously turn the computer and phone off and go touch some grass.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago

I literally said:

So is your issue that I didn't literally use the word "bullshit?" Otherwise, I don't know how I could have been clearer or why you think I was dodging anything.

Now I expect you will talk about touching grass for a third time.

[-] frigidaphelion@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago

I was a big fan but unfortunately this is all true and can be verified. Very sad

[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 hours ago

I understand your stance but compared to Mr. Beast, not the same comparison. Mr. Rogers, Steve Erwin, and Levar Burton (should always be included) I would listen to their input on helping everyone. They are smart and good.

Keanu and maybe Woody Harrison are more of good people that you don't hear horrible stuff about that are universally famous.

No kid touching, woman abusing, racist rants, or Nazi praising episodes. Morgan Freemen and Bill Cosby use to be that way but over time it started to crack. Even Dave Grohl has fallen from the list. Of course these examples are not a 1:1.

The second group, like I said, is more good not smart. They have flaws but are universal good people. Ross was a great person but horrible judgment in some people. Look at his son's battle for his family name.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago

He's a bigot for having his own Lil theory about settlers from 12,000 years ago?

[-] ech@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago

Nobody knows what's going in inside that melon except him, but it really does reak of the old mindset of colonials " discovering" lands where people had been living already for millennia, and assuming they're too dumb to be considering. Or even making a spectacle of them like they're some sort of animal.

Even if is not intentionally malicious, that sort of disregard has some amount of bigotry attached.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago)

There were colonials 12,000 years ago?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Please read the excerpts from his book I pasted below. He thinks indigenous Americans worshiped white saviors.

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