people like this legit believe that the end result of having western militaries/intelligence agencies (and the capital formations they work for) go berserk toppling governments, arming/training sadists, religious fanatics, and opium gangsters to burn down schools, and just ravage every social institution for 50-100 years results in "what humanity really looks like under natural conditions".

that sentiment is absolutely part of their indoctrination. the whole "I am have to be evil so the evil doesn't get in" cliche that lets them arbitrarily draw and re-draw a line between themselves and the monsters they created.