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If it's not right for them, it's not right for us. I understand there are times when a person's opinions and character deserve harsh criticism, but providing information that may result in real-world violence is different.
Doxing, say, women who've had abortions or trans people so they can be imprisoned or killed by 3%ers is just fundementally different than doxing a murderous fascist in order to protect people's lives.
Outcome matters.
It's OK if I do it.
Unbelievable.
Yes, actually, there's no obligation to extend the protections of the social contract to those actively attempting to destroy it.
Why are you so invested in the rights of Nazis? They're not people
You literally refuse to understand the reasoning and will only see this at surface value. Things are approaching the level of fucked that can only be fixed with a come to Jesus moment (so to speak). If you can't or won't understand what is actually at stake and how dire things are, just do nothing on the sidelines and see how long it is before your starts to seem a LOT smaller than you thought it was.
It's you who refuse to understand. You don't tolerate a Nazi. I think the next several months will hopefully be eye opening for people like you (one can hope).
I'm saying the same thing you are. The only good nazi is one who has been giving a one-way ticket, leaving existence.
I can't believe my comment got removed for saying that it's a good thing when Nazis get doxxed
That's a term that has lost all meaning, thanks to people like you.
Nick Fuentes is literally an unabashed neonazi lmao
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
Huh. I thought you were using "nazi" the way the other side uses "fake news".
I'm going down in flames with you if need be. Wrong is wrong.
I can see scenarios where violence becomes necessary, but not as vigilantes and it should be at the very end of the list.
They are literally gathering lists of outgroups and minorities right now. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
I don't care about their safety anymore. They don't care about mine. What's that phrase they like to regurgitate? FAFO?
Man, some of the takes here make me sad. Thanks to those who upvoted the idea that ethics don't change when someone is sure they're right in ignoring them "this time". I want to be clear - I'm not painting all or even most Lemmy users with this brush. However, what I'm seeing lately is such a disconnect to me:
This election broke people, and I really don't like how readily some who claim to be ethical are supporting hate speech by way of dehumanization. If Trump had lost and his followers were saying similar things but pointed it at "woke leftists" or "communists", you all would be incredibly upset (rightfully so). Even though the Trumpers saying those things would truly think they were saving their country, the way some people here seem to think they are.
The moment you see people who voted for Harris assaulting third-party voters, you let me know. Some of the takes are over the top, but where they're coming from is completely understandable. Dehumanization is an attempt to rationalize away empathy to prevent guilt and trauma from what people think is the fight to come.
The moral high road is littered with the corpses of people who tried to fight fair. In self-defense, there are 2 rules: a battle not fought is a battle won, and, if you have to hurt a man, hurt him so bad that you need never fear his vengeance.
If doxxing a couple of assholes like this is enough to intimidate the bigots who are now emboldened to attack and rape people and save even a few lives, then it's worth it - we've solved things with rule number one. If it doesn't stop them, then fyi: the back of the eye socket is thin enough to push through with your thumb and into the brain behind it. There's no such thing as "fighting dirty" when it comes to survival. There's no room for mercy when somebody is trying to kill you, and these people have tried before and say that they're going to try again.
We all hope it doesn't come to that, but it is better to be prepared and not need it than to wish you had it when the jackboots are stomping on you. And when somebody has told you who they are, you believe them. If it quacks like a Nazi, swims like a Nazi, and goose-steps like a Nazi, then it ain't a duck.
Ok, I believe you are sincere and appreciate the perspective. There's a difference between doxing Nick Fuentes, and doxing every trump voter. (In my opinion)
Do you believe violence can ever be considered justified? If you are a pure dogmatic pacifist, I believe your position is logically consistent.
If not: what circumstances can justify violence? Can the police or the military act within morality? Is justice defined by law or outcome?
If the state is unable or unwilling to protect a marginalized group of people, at what point does it become moral to defend themselves?
Sorry about the length, it's a detailed subject. First, thank you for talking to me in good faith - that means a lot to me. I'm trying to make good faith arguments. It's really difficult to give a hard line about where violence is just because I'm sure ambiguity exists.