not helping lemmy's extremist-leaning reputation guys
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Man, some of the takes here make me sad. Thanks to those who upvoted the idea that ethics don't change when someone is sure they're right in ignoring them "this time". I want to be clear - I'm not painting all or even most Lemmy users with this brush. However, what I'm seeing lately is such a disconnect to me:
This election broke people, and I really don't like how readily some who claim to be ethical are supporting hate speech by way of dehumanization. If Trump had lost and his followers were saying similar things but pointed it at "woke leftists" or "communists", you all would be incredibly upset (rightfully so). Even though the Trumpers saying those things would truly think they were saving their country, the way some people here seem to think they are.
The moment you see people who voted for Harris assaulting third-party voters, you let me know. Some of the takes are over the top, but where they're coming from is completely understandable. Dehumanization is an attempt to rationalize away empathy to prevent guilt and trauma from what people think is the fight to come.
The moral high road is littered with the corpses of people who tried to fight fair. In self-defense, there are 2 rules: a battle not fought is a battle won, and, if you have to hurt a man, hurt him so bad that you need never fear his vengeance.
If doxxing a couple of assholes like this is enough to intimidate the bigots who are now emboldened to attack and rape people and save even a few lives, then it's worth it - we've solved things with rule number one. If it doesn't stop them, then fyi: the back of the eye socket is thin enough to push through with your thumb and into the brain behind it. There's no such thing as "fighting dirty" when it comes to survival. There's no room for mercy when somebody is trying to kill you, and these people have tried before and say that they're going to try again.
We all hope it doesn't come to that, but it is better to be prepared and not need it than to wish you had it when the jackboots are stomping on you. And when somebody has told you who they are, you believe them. If it quacks like a Nazi, swims like a Nazi, and goose-steps like a Nazi, then it ain't a duck.
Ok, I believe you are sincere and appreciate the perspective. There's a difference between doxing Nick Fuentes, and doxing every trump voter. (In my opinion)
Do you believe violence can ever be considered justified? If you are a pure dogmatic pacifist, I believe your position is logically consistent.
If not: what circumstances can justify violence? Can the police or the military act within morality? Is justice defined by law or outcome?
If the state is unable or unwilling to protect a marginalized group of people, at what point does it become moral to defend themselves?
Sorry about the length, it's a detailed subject. First, thank you for talking to me in good faith - that means a lot to me. I'm trying to make good faith arguments. It's really difficult to give a hard line about where violence is just because I'm sure ambiguity exists.