Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.

Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids' sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.

Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it's what team a trans kid should be on?

Trans people matter, sports don't.

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

Gotta love all the liberals coming in here telling us why it's "complicated", while pointing out they support trans right. No, you don't support trans rights. Because if you did, you wouldn't undermine those rights by parroting the same talking points as conservatives; talking points that are based on willfully ignoring facts, and even the lack of evidence that this is an issue that exists in the first place. It also gets tiring seeing those same people act like they know how trans people's bodies work, and not even acknowledge the fact that trans people go through biological changes if they can get gender affirming care, and are very comparable to their cis counterparts. The medical science on it is right there, and trans people's own experiences are living proof as well. But it's easier forming bullshit "opinions" instead, especially if you have a certain agenda (conservatives), or just don't care about said minority as much as you think you do.

It's really not complicated. If trans people are the athletic super soldiers they're made out to be we need to encourage them to compete in sports to make them less of a snooze-fest.

adding this to the long list of reasons im not voting for biden again when libs ask. my go-to is always “that fucker still owes me $600!”

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I'd just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.

Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.

On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.

Hey now! As a Liberal I absolutely think a untrained trans athlete is comparable to a cis athlete who's honed their entire body for the sport and isn't going through HRT is comparable!!

Just because trans athletes have their muscle mass changed by HRT and are competing with a body that they are unfamiliar with in terms of limits and physical composition doesn't mean they don't have an arbitrary advantage I assume (read: made up) because I don't understand how HRT affects muscle mass or that i think education should be gatekeeped based on income, sports and academic ability.

Edit: to any libs lurking don't come at me with the whole fast release power vs endurance muscle composition of afab and amab athletes because it's wacky biological essentialism that doesn't apply to a trans athletes muscle composition.

Edit 2: this pisses me off because most of the athletes kicking up a fuss are white athletes who already accused black athletes of being trans or intersex because they dominate or "have higher testosterone levels" and they are salty af about just losing and trans athletes are an easy scapegoat.

It is a complicated issue tho. Some transphobes deserve re-education camps, while others need to get the wall.

In speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

Give them no quarter, hexbears and lemmygrads

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

"A lot of people think." , says Biden admin after kidnapping hundreds of kids, sending them to work factory farms

“Harm reduction”

I GrumpigPoopBalls am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

It’s not complicated. The Biden administration wants the support of both those who see trans people as deserving the same rights as cis people and those who would like to see trans people excluded from society.

What is complicated is that the Biden administration wants the support not of me or you if we fall into one of those groups, but the support of both the national and regional bourgeoisie who do so.

As a trans person, fuck sports, fuck the biden admin, I'm so fucking sick of this shit