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submitted 2 weeks ago by Awoo@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

updated as of yesterday (July 21): based on a statistical model developed by a prestigious medical journal called The Lancet, Israel has killed roughly 434,800 people in Gaza since the country’s military started to attack the territory on 8 October 2023. That’s 20.7% of Gaza’s entire pre-conflict population dead. Over half are women and children.

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[-] wombat@hexbear.net 92 points 2 weeks ago

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 2 weeks ago

All violence on any "western" country is justified at this point.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

A million 9/11s on the west.

[-] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 75 points 2 weeks ago

Death to the entirety of israhell and the west and anybody who even slightly supports them. Unlimited death and genocide and hell upon those monsters masquerading as humans.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 55 points 2 weeks ago

Supporting Israel in any capacity should be a war crime punishable by death.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 61 points 2 weeks ago

Ya, this sounds waaaay more correct than the official numbers people have been using for awhile. Unfortunately, just like The Lancet's last estimates, no media is going to use these.

[-] TauZero@mander.xyz 51 points 2 weeks ago

One year ago I was literally being told "This can't be genocide! Only 4% of population has been killed." Now what?

[-] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 50 points 2 weeks ago

Even the Romans considered decimation (killing 10% of a population) to be a brutally extreme measure. Imagine being twice as evil as the fucking Roman empire.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago

USA killed around the same percentage in DPRK.

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[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

IIRC the Cambodian genocide under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge was 25% of the population. If the Isrealis killed 40% of Palestinians, they have surpassed one of the worst mass murderers in history.

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[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder what will happen. Will the general public ever realize this? Like lets say the worst case happens and they wipe out everyone. Israel takes over Gaza entirely. Will people not wonder where the 2 million people went? How does the media spin that? Altho i guess if people arent questioning the numbers already maybe its just on purpose. They want to believe it's smaller than it is so they can justify ignoring it.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago

Think they're just going to keep suppressing dissidence until the genocide is complete and then spend the next several years sweeping it under the rug and keep on suppressing until people gradually forget about it and then the Israeli empire of genocide is just an everyday reality.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

The narrative will change into there never being any Palestinians at all, and that it was just a bunch of default “Arabs” that were driven to neighboring countries

[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's not even the worst case. Israel is a fascist death cult and fascists need enemies. They won't stop at Palestine. If they aren't stopped, they'll continue wars and genocides until they collapse from internal contradictions, outside sanctions or military defeat.

Lebanon is the next obvious target. Also what's left of Syria. More war with Iran too. Remember how while the war on Iran was still going, Israeli politicians already talked about who to attack next? They favored Pakistan, but also had a whole list of other countries, including even Turkey.

But don't think the "West" is safe from Israel! The US empire and others will surely import more and more fascist tactics and actual fascists from Israel to suppress leftists and general unrest as deteriorating living conditions lead to rising class consciousness. It's already happening.

[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

I meant the worst case for Gaza specifically but yeah your right about all that stuff.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 43 points 2 weeks ago

now that's about the number i think is likely near correct.

[-] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 weeks ago

Now that they're all starving in concentration camps, that number will increase rapidly.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 37 points 2 weeks ago

Is Israel what Nazi Germany would have turned out if every allied power except the Soviet Union and China had sided and backed them instead?

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

Nazi Germany was always a much more powerful nation, and existed during a time where it was easier for them to gloss over the magnitude of their violence to the foreigners (and there were more foreigners who liked pogroms). Israel is still not on the level of Nazi Germany, not because it's morally superior but because it's just not in a position to feasibly "accomplish" many of the things that the Nazis did and, as deranged as it can be, Israel does still have a mote of self-preservation.

[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Israel is not capable of accomplishing anything on it's own and it's hasn't. It was always the US. It should really be called the US-Israeli Genocide. And the US is way more powerful than Nazi Germany ever was.

Israel does still have a mote of self-preservation

I'm not so sure of that.

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[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

I feel numb

[-] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

They are truly vile. Hatred is a vast understatement for how I'm feeling at this point. Death to the zionist entity forever. Never let that shit return when it's dismantled

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago

Entirely soul crushing. There can be no words.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago

I keep asking: What the fuck makes Israel so different? What makes them so special? Is it Israeli exceptionalism? Like fuck imagine other genocidal colonial states looking at Israel and taking notes on how to conduct a successful genocide. Oh if only Nazi Germany had done this. Oh if only Apartheid South Africa had done this etc etc what the actual fuck.

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago

South Africa was actually far less murderous than the Israelis have been (low bar I know).

My point being, imagine making apartheid South Africa look humane.

[-] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

When the war started, people often defended zionism by saying that if the zionist occupation fell, so would western civilisation. Thing is, they were correct. You see all the western colonists come out of the woodwork and go absolutely all in on zionism cause it's a matter of life or death for them. Without zionism, the western colonists loose eurasia. It would be game over for them on a continental scale. And so, to protect zionism, anything goes.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

a modern crusader state

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[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

Israel is a part of the US empire. The US empire acts with impunity. Apartheid SA and Nazi Germany were not part of such an empire

[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's US American exceptionalism. What's special is the largest military power to ever exist. Actions of Israel are actions of the US.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

What they did that others didn't is be an essential FOB for an imperial hegemony. WW2 was never motivated by saving people from genocide. No one went to war because of that, maybe some individual soldiers but you get what im saying. South Africa was freed from within mostly. Liberals only oppose atrocities occe they've been completed or it inconveniences them

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago

Bloodthirsty genocidal maniac shit.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

Are people on this website ready to have conversations about Jewish supremacy yet

[-] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

I think the logical conclusion from the events of recent years, and from the basic principle that class struggle superscedes identity politics, it was always "easy" to see that no identity group had an inherently revolutionary, or non-reactionary character.

That goes especially for the followers of abrahamic religions, who dominate large swathes of the globe and whose rulers posses unimaginable wealth.

Amongst these, the followers of Judaism had an even bigger advantage that there existed an exploitative project explicitly design to extract and spread wealth for them, while their numbers are small. This leading to to the result of them consistently ranking amongst the most well-off demographics, that is, the most bourgeoisfied of the proletariat anywhere in the world.

So in that sense, talking of a problem of Jewish supremacism is entirely valid. And yet, such a talk entirely understates the horror of the zionist project. It is not something that merely threatens some abstract ideal of racial equality, it is the lynchpin of western colonialism in the 21rst century. The zionist project very much has the potential to kick-start what might be known as the third world war by future historians, if it hasn't already.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed on all counts. Excellently put.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Or are Evangelicals still the designated sin eaters

[-] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

I dunno. It seems like most of the people I see promoting the Zionist occupation are evangelicals. I guess if Israel is to be considered a Jewish state, then the attempt to eradicate other presence there could be considered Jewish supremacy. It feels like that is less common among Jews than white supremacy is among white people or whatever is going on with evangelicals. Most of the people I personally see supporting Zionism, though, are evangelicals awaiting their promised end of the world scenario.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago

There are orders of magnitude more Christians than Jews, but even given that, your experience has not been my own. I've come across thousands of Jews (American, Israeli, Dutch, etc) who support and defend Israel. 99% of American synagogues are explicitly Zionist and provide material support to Israel and the IDF. The genocide is being armed primarily by Christians, but it's being carried out literally exclusively by Jews and with the approval of the majority of Jews.

If any other demographic had this much embedded Nazism, we would've been speaking about their role in empire the way we openly talk about Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc. Scots were once oppressed by the British Empire before they fully integrated and became valuable foot soldiers.

Every real Anti-Zionist Jew has my support, but if Judaism is going to survive, some very difficult conversations need to be had.

[-] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

I guess that makes sense. My experience is pretty limited. It is important to refrain from antisemitism in combating the Nazi elements, but that certainly shouldn't stop us from discussing those things.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Definitely. There is nothing inherent to Judaism that orients people toward this behavior, hence the sharp generational divide. It is all about class. But if we're going to be honest when we say that Israel doesn't represent Jews, Jews need to start confronting their relatives the way everyone (correctly) insisted white people do about Trumpism.

I'm not an expert in religious history, but I really think Judaism could be heading for a schism over this.

[-] Salem@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

Zionism was considered a fringe movement prior to the Holocaust, the prevailing attitude was towards the Labor Bund, socialism, or liberalism. But because there was a sizable population, following, and political, economic support for establishing an "Ulster" in the Levant, Zionism was permitted and sustained by Western capital and empire.

The war, the genocide, eradicated much of the Jewish socialists and traumatized the survivors into believing the antisemitic beliefs that Jews, despite being native to their European states for centuries, were always strangers - and the strangers should go back to their ancestral homeland: Palestine.

Zionism, as a living coping mechanism for centuries of abuse during Diaspora, indulged in these twisted fantasies in order to free the Jewish people from their oppressors and threat of annihilation. Zionism professes itself as the agent of Jewish self-determination, but while the Israeli government drives the car, Europe and the US pave and path the road, supply the gasoline, and act as their mechanics.

There is so much institutional and ideological saturation of Zionism within Jewish institutions that make it very challenging to be liberated from; however the brazen and constant barrage of Israeli politicians, media figures, IDF troops, and the Palestinians crying out for help through their own broadcast of the starvation and genocide is deepening a rejection of Zionism.

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

The one thing I would push back on/add is that "Labour Zionism" and the Kibbutzim were fundamental to the Nakba and the current Israeli Holocaust. Just like all the European chauvinists who dissolved the Second International, calling oneself a Socialist does not prevent anyone from pursuing parasitic class interests.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Bund was at least proto-zionist since the beginning, they wanted to monopolise Jewish workers and regularily wrecked attempts to build join front with non-Jewish socialist orgs.

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