They're not even bothering with that here in the UK from what I've seen. To write or believe the kind of coverage our media is putting out you'd have to have:

• Not followed any news or discussion about Israel or the reaction to protests in the last year.
• Have no access to social media whatsoever, which it's been all over since they they started doing this shit the day before the game.
• Never have experienced being around Israeli tourists ever.
• Know aboslutely nothing about international football and have actively avoided news following the Champions League all summer.
• Not even watched the Euros earlier this year and seen the behaviour of Israel fans.

Any one of these things would clue you into the fact that this Israeli fash-hooligan innocence narrative isn't just cynical, but absolutely absurd on the face of it.

So I couldn't agree more. At best people will accurately look at the media and just go, 'lying to our faces and taking us for idiots as usual, especially about Israel lately' and more dangerously, potentially they'll go 'well the media must be controlled by Jews because why else would they shill such an obvious and insulting lie'. Even if you're in legacy media I suspect neither of these outcomes would be good for you, never mind potentially fuelling actual antisemitism.

I was just about to say, that's definitely the one. He's definitely Matan Ahlfield as all his business and LinkedIn profiles went dark afterwards. And whilst it's not really important except to demonstrate that this is absolutely a 1% scumbag (amongst other things) getting his arse handed to him, that car he left his kid in to attack peaceful protestors with a weapon cost anywhere between $200-300k.

Yeah, are they genuinely not already doing this kind of stuff already? My Xiaomi does that as well as adaptive charging based on my usage etc.

It's from last year, but the album "Altutude" by Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives is still my go to upbeat, uplifting record. A lifetime legend of country music doing an unapologetically fun, slightly psychadelic nod to not just The Byrds, but British 60s pop, and Mowtown. It's lively, funny, catchy, and even what could be more melancholy songs have a strong vibe of optimism - Space is a chill guitar lick about being overwhelmed by society, but finding peace in nature, A Friend Of Mine is all about solidarity from the the universality of shit going wrong, Sitting Alone is about feeling disconnected but it being a blissful experience that allows you to enjoy the simple things, and so on.

Every single British paper and media outlet so far today has covered this as an anti-semetic pogrom while making zero mention of the fact that this was a group of far right, fascist football hooligans, including members of the IDF, who chatted racist slogans, vandalised property, attacked people's homes, violently attack random brown people in the street, and deliberately cheered and set off fireworks throughout a minutes silence for flood victims during the game. It's outright and deliberately propaganda for the Israeli state while defending and making victims of the exact same people (or worse) that our entire media spent weeks talking about being thugs and disgraces during the race riots here.

I just read your reply to Owl above on the first point and think we agree on most of that.

Organising needs to be collaborative, organising seminars are good, mailing lists or newsletters aren't a substitute for action and relationships.

I have however been around some orgs over the years, especially much smaller ones unsurprisingly, that have been borderline hostile to the idea of not only collaborative organising but every other organisation in general. They certainly weren't collaborating or incorporating other groups or activists to achieve anything.

I read Owl's first point as specifically talking about that kind of behaviour from a limited number of experiences, not a blanket sweeping statement of vendetta against ML groups in general, as you seem to have. Which I suspect is a big part of our disagreement here.

Anyway, I hope you got that beauty sleep comrade.

Wasn't there some Israeli CEO who got out of his Bentley SUV with a bat to intimidate protest and immeadiately got decked before sitting, sobbing on the side of the road until he was arrested? That one was pretty satisfying.

Some of them jumped into the canal to swim away when they realised they were getting their shit kicked in, instead of the other way around. Nothing more poetic for a bunch of zionazi football holigans than an early bath. Beautiful.

The did worse than that too, as detailed in this report from Middle East Eye. After taking their 5-0 drubbing they decided they were going to go and vandalise peoples homes, steal and burn pro-Palestinian flags, shout racist slogans, and attack mostly Morooccan taxi drivers.

In a silver lining though, most of them got their shit kicked in by the locals. Enough so that several jumped into the canal to swim away, losing their wallets and passports, before running to cry to the police. Bad Twitter link as xcancel is 403 for me

And what exactly are you doing here, outreach and solidarity? Movement building?

There's a lengthly point by point deconstruction of it above, but that would require you to actually read the very thing you're complaining about, ironically enough.

You have thousands of accounts to circumvent bans on niche forums so that you can go and post deliberately vague statements and throw around insults whilst entirely refusing to engage or even state your point of view, but people here are the ones just doing recreation instead of promoting their cause?

And yes, many of us do come here to shitpost and chat for recreation, including myself. Because we're functional people who actually do activism and organising in the real world, instead of thinking low-energy trolling is activism, and would prefer to chill on the sofa or on the boss' time scrolling Hexbear instead of whatever Reddit-brained place has formed your petulant online manner.