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[-] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Why is everyone saying "she did not call herself an astronaut" when the meme never states that?

In interviews she was called an astronaut and that is the point this meme is making. One of the other women (Gale something) does call herself an astronaut, so theres that.

This meme is about the out of touch media coverage around the event, not what Katy did not even say.

With that said, I understand the emotional reactions given what is happening in America. Women that worked in NASA are being erased from history at the same time this stunt happens, its infuriating.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Poor Katy. The roasting is endless even though it's the piece of shit Bezos who actually deserves it.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Bezos deserves most of it, but I think there's more than just misogyny that has lead to this particular flight's passengers receiving a lot more criticism than Shatner did. And it's that Shatner was visibly moved by his experience and you could tell that he didn't feel good about Bezos interrupting his attempts to share that, so Bezos could use him as a pawn.

The ladies on this flight seem to have been chosen and instructed specifically to give the most vapid shallow responses possible. And upon returning, that's precisely what they delivered.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Bezos deserves it for ripping billions of dollars out of the public space program so that he can indulge in a fantasy of privatized space flight.

Katy deserves a bit of flak for playing along to boost her fading brand.

They both suck.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

But she's trying to make women in space glam again! 😂

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

DOGE Staffer here. This is DEI and you have to delete it.

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don’t really follow celebrity news, but I think the last time I heard about her she was praising Musk and her cybertruck. It seems she has been open about whose side she is on for a while now.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Her music isn't even that bad. Its a pineapple-on-pizza thing.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

That eye of the tiger or whatever song was straight trash though.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Roar, iirc.

In my opinion it was decent, but extremely overrated/overplayed.

[-] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don't recall Perry claiming she was an astronaut.

This stunt, however, is a colossal tone-deaf, obscenely expensive, wasteful PR stunt while millions of people are terrified about their economic futures. That money could have gone to much better use.

[-] SpitefulSprite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The person who interviewed her after getting back to earth said she was an astronaut now.. teo very tone deaf dumb morons who played banter back and forth.. Katy didnt correct the woman and was enjoying being akin to an astronaut title and thats why she is being dragged... And she deserves it.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

If that's what happened then I don't think saying she called herself an astronaut is fair, but I also don't believe she or Gale deserve any grace after this ordeal. "Have you been to space? Go to space."

[-] SpitefulSprite@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Go read the last part of my comment again slowly... Its the fact that Katy accepted the title until the backlash in the midst of the DEI fiasco and real female astronauts who had their names removed from public views a day before

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Nobody can dictate what an astronaut is and isn't. The FAA and NASA specifically wanted it to be this way so culture wars and shit posts like this wouldn't happen. 😮‍💨 Idk why people forget that.

[-] Woht24@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Do you get tired of being like this?

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do you get something from asking this open ended unanswerable question? Are you intending to invoke some sort of internal dialog within me? Or do you mean to imply that there's inherently some value in this senseless article and argument that is so true that both I and the very inventors of the term and field of science are both wrong for acknowledging the senselessness of gate keeping in this way? Your question only spawns more, none of them particularly worth asking but I do find occasionally myself with an abundance of wasteable time whilst I oversee progress bars.

[-] Woht24@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Not bothering to read your comment past the first line, I can tell my question had the intended effect.

So, yes.

[-] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

🤷‍♂️ Enjoy me living in your thoughts rent free I guess?

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

did she call herself an astronaut or something?

edit: apparently not, people don't like Katy Perry/women and are making things up to get angry about.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Here's a good video about it

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Varyk: asks simple yes or no question

You: here's a 40 minute video explaining the whole story. It might answer your question, it might not.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

Damn. Angela Collier getting downvotes? Wtf is wrong with all these people. There could not have been a more relevant and helpful response explaining the situation, especially in light of @Varyk@sh.itjust.works' rather shallow question that seemed to indicate a lack of understanding of the full context here…

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Again: Varyk asked about a single aspect (whether or not Katy Perry has called herself an astronaut) and got a 40 minute video about the whole thing. No text summary or indication of whether or not the actual question would be answered, just "watch this"

Sometimes people know about the general subject already, but just need conformation on a detail.

It's very rarely good practice to answer surface level questions with links to long deep dive videos.

Even if the recipient WOULD like the full picture, an article is MUCH easier to skim or digest whenever you want to.

A video is a time commitment and 40 minutes is about 38 minutes past the maximum reasonable time to answer a quick question.

There could not have been a more relevant and helpful response explaining the situation

Relevant? Possibly. Helpful? For reasons explained above, nope. Not really.

in light of Varys' rather shallow question that seemed to indicate a lack of understanding of the full context here…

You don't know that. You just assumed that it was a rhetorical question meant to end discussion rather than an honest question meant to provide context on whether or not the meme itself is fair to Katy Perry. In assuming ignorance and bad faith, you're being very unfair to Varys.

Btw, just in case they haven't found out themselves, here's an ACTUAL answer to the ACTUAL questoion:as far as I've been able to find out, she's NOT self-identified as an astronaut.

While that's not conclusive, it's more than likely that a lot of people would comment on it if she did, so someone who knows how to look not finding anything in one eighth of the runtime of that video would make it highly improbable.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

It's exceedingly common for a question about one narrow thing to be an indicator of desire for knowledge about a broader topic. There was basically no reason to believe this wasn't the case here, and the incredibly rude response from both of you to a user being helpful is really not a good look.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

It's exceedingly common for a question about one narrow thing to be an indicator of desire for knowledge about a broader topic

It's MUCH more common for a question about one thing to be an indicator of desire for knowledge of just one thing.

There was basically no reason to believe this wasn't the case here

Except for Occam's Razor and, you know, how language works.

the incredibly rude response from both of you to a user being helpful is really not a good look.

You're the one being incredibly rude by insisting that an illogical assumption was the only possible interpretation of a straightforward question and that pointing that out is somehow bad.

If I asked you if it's raining, would you link me to a deep dive about evaporation and atmospheric pressure? Do you think that would be helpful?

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

You’re the one being incredibly rude by insisting that an illogical assumption was the only possible interpretation

No, I'm pushing back against how rude the two of you are being.

If you had just stayed silent because you weren't even involved in this, and if the other user had given a polite "thanks, but I'm already aware of this and just wanted an answer to that one question", things might have been different.

But that's not what happened. You came in guns blazing, and so did they. Ironic, considering further down the thread they also made it very clear that they don't already know the full context here.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I made one flippant but accurate comment for laughs.

You're the one who made a huge deal about it by holding your incorrect assumptions to be undeniable Truth.

Just give the windmills you're tilting at a fucking rest already.

[-] troed@fedia.io -2 points 1 week ago

afaik all the KP hate over this is misogyny in action.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Contributions of many women scientists are being wiped from NASA's website and records due to the "purge of DEI" going on right now. I'm sure that there are women losing their jobs at NASA right now while it is being dismantled in favor of private companies.

It was an egregious expenditure of wealth that enriches a company belonging to Jeff fucking Bezos.

This launch was nothing groundbreaking. It didn't push any scientific or "hardware" boundaries or make any discoveries. No experiments were done. Not even launching a sattelite, sending resources to/from ISS or anything useful to humanity. It was purely done for the PR bit, nothing more.

To me, this all reads like the abysmally tone deaf celebrities singing on youtube and complaining about how hard it was for them during the start of covid lockdowns. Except now for space flight.

Actual hate may be an extreme reaction, but exhaustion (a feeling of "so what") and disgust I think is fair. And that's more than enough reason to enjoy a stupid joke like this, despite the fact that they did go through some months of training for this (making them astronauts).

Incredibly little of my feelings about this has anything to do with Katy Perry.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Sp you fell for it then? Capitalists doing capitalist things (marketing) and just because they all identified as women you can’t be critical of the obvious nonsense at play here? Grow up.

They did not reach space.

They did not pilot.

They went on a rollercoaster ride.

Remember how there have been actual all women-identifying NASA crews? That’s REAL progress in equality. Or were you not born yet?

[-] troed@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

hugs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mercury#Astronauts

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What does that link show? Women have been in space since 1963.

[-] troed@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

It effectively refutes the "They did not reach space" comment, and also indicates how no one made fun of Alan Shepherd for "not having piloted" or "went on a rollercoaster ride".

Did you read it?

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Of course. The point is that this flight was nothing new or special. Especially with the makeup of the cohort of folks on it.

Stop pretending it’s anything more than what it is: marketing.

[-] troed@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

I think you completely misunderstand my original post. The trip is a non-story. The KP hate is still misogynistic.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Hate of her (and king, etc) comes from her pushing this idea that she is special. That’s. The. Point.

They are 100000% not special. Just rich.

[-] troed@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

Nah, it's just misogyny. Compare with the reactions to when Shatner went to space (no one claiming it wasn't space then) and also had a huge emotional reaction coming back to earth.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/13/william-shatner-jeff-bezos-rocket-blue-origin

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

My reaction was just the same. It’s all rich people nonsense.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 week ago

katy perry hate has come in waves:

hating her music because it was unchallenging and consumable (there's other artists i'd hate for this long before her)
hating her for standing up for rebecca black (this wave is pure misogyny)
hating her because she broke up with russel brand (russel brand sucks, she should have never dated his garbage ass. i probably should have listed an item for she dated russel brand in the first place, but that wave is miniscule and insignificant)
hating her because she cut her hair and she aged and that wasn't sexy for some people (this is as far as i can tell the largest and most misogynistic wave)
hating her for going back to doctor luke to try to recapture the popularity she had earlier in her career when he was her producer (this is the tempo i'm on. dr luke is ke$ha's abuser and as far as i can tell is a serial predator)
hating her because she's acting as propaganda for one of the technoligarchs in our fascist regime (rather fair, i'd say, tbh)

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don't HATE her but I'm about as sick of seeing her as Jimmy Fallon. She's boring yet always in the spotlight.

I went from completely neutral to mild dislike at your second to last point. Not only is he a rapist, the album sucks. She's out of touch in a genre that caters to the youth.

FWIW I have a remix of Cali Girls on my morning playlist. Also FWIW, 3/4 of my favorite artists are women

[-] Fermion@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

If you have 41 minutes to spare, this rant from a theoretical physicist does a good job explaining why people react negatively to the publicity surrounding the space tourism launch.

https://youtu.be/0WtyGK7TdCs

A lot of it boils down to the fact that women have been instrumental in traditional space programs all along. Publicizing passengers on a tourism flight as if they are pushing boundaries is insulting to all the professionals who dedicated their careers to actually expanding boundaries. They aren't even the first all women crew as claimed. Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova flew a solo mission on Vostok 6 in 1963

The media messaging on the flight has been terrible and regressive. Complaining about that isn't misogynistic.

[-] troed@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

Agree. It's the complaining on Katy Perry I referenced. By all means criticize all of it with actual arguments.

[-] Fermion@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People focus on Katy Perry as representative of the whole stunt, because she has been portrayed as the main figure all along.

Pop star Katy Perry and five other women safely returned to Earth after reaching space aboard Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin rocket. - BBC article immediately after the flight

They literally pulled a Katy Perry et al. Do you think that framing just happened without any input from KP and her publicists? Did Katy Perry use her ample airtime to credit all the female engineers that actually worked for years made the flight happen, or to correct notions about the flight not actually accomplishing any significant firsts? Katy Perry gladly took the center of the media spotlight, so naturally people use her image as emblematic when ridiculing the stunt. She is a vapid celebrity doing annoying celebrity messaging like "making space and science glam."

"This is all for the benefit of Earth," she added.

Katy Perry is an eager participant in the outrageous messaging around the flight. She earned the ridicule, not by being a woman, but by acting ridiculously.

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