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Andor is a Star Trek show.
I think it's on purpose because Andor can't have a real anti-fascist, anti-empire message if Darth Vader is present. In the dynamics of real empire, Vader should be some kind of manager/general like Krenic. He can't be a 6'-4" cyborg who is the best at being a pilot and the strongest magic space warlock to ever exist. The foundational narrative of Star Wars is about how empires are created by bad people who are indoctrinated by magic space warlocks. This message was driven so far deep in the lore that literal space genes cause people to be almost deterministically evil or good. You can't be materially anti-empire when the empire is actually magic. Being a revolutionary against empire means something and it's not waiting for the prophecy of a good guy with magic space genes to save us all.
The best thing Andor can do is forget the Skywalker bullshit, pretend it doesn't exist, and flesh out the Empire as being founded in material exploitation. That is something they have been doing so far. If Andor has to go find a magic Jedi mcguffin or protect the royal space gene bloodline, it's cooked. Luckily we know how this ends so they don't have much room for that bullshit.
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Whenever Darth Vader isn't onscreen actively committing atrocities, all of the other characters should be asking, "Where's Darthie?"
Darth Vader should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine
This is what a steady diet of ''best [X MOVIE HERE] fight scene compilation'' and comicbooks does to your brain.
we need a name for the motherfuckers who watched the vader scene in Rogue One and came out thinking it was epic and awesome instead of horrifying
Vintage Hugo Boss lovers
I thought it was boring fanservice and would rather it have been cut
in a way, it really was, because at the end of the day despite the fact that they tried making it like a scene from a horror movie, its just like all the vader trash that star wars adults love; pure unadultared ''i want to see darf vader being ebic and killing everything becuz he's soooo powerful''-power-level-ism
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I just want to see Vader return to his one true love - podracing
Honestly, watching Vader blow up some main characters in a tie fighter and then saying, " ^breath^ now this ^breath^ is what I call podracing" would be so fucking funny.
Hire fans 👆
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I remember when i was younger just wanting to watch a star wars tv series about the inner workings of the senate, which still sounds infinitely more enjoyable than "vader kill to show power heavy breathing".
All I want is a Jedi / Normal guy buddy-cop style baddy of the week show set on courusant
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Literally the dumb drooling babies that RLM mocked relentlessly in all their sw videos.
action scenes in franchise films really are just porn that people don't feel embarrassed about watching in public.
goddammit Meco is dead, now who will make the duel of the fates/ 70s porno funk remix?
Darth Vader's entire story and then some has been told. Also the threat he once represented is entirely diminished due to his presence in pop culture for almost 50 years. Dude is printed on children's bedsheets and stuff, any excitement from Darth Vader has been wrung entirely dry. Like Bela Lugosi's Dracula, that shit was scary in 1932 but it didn't take long for it to be the way to depixr a vampire in a silly way. If you want a threatening villain to be threatening you don't use them as often as possible cause that means the heroes have to beat or escape them more often, trek did it with the borg as well.
Plus tonally, Vader doesn't fit into Andor at all. Most of Star Wars is focused around grandiose melodrama. Anakin was never relatable at any point. Fucking Mon Mothma at this point has waaaaay more character depth than Darth Vader because what she's going through makes sense and the way she reacts to things emotionally is similar to what a human would do or feel. Anaking never reacted to a single piece of outside stimuli in a way that remotely resembles human behavior. His emotions are dictated by plot necessity at every turn. Andor is doing this thing where it's not trying to be Flash Gordon or whatever bullshit the clone wars was trying to rip off which seems to be the gold standard of star wars for these fucking geeks. A trash kids show.
We still don't know how he goes to the bathroom, and since I brought it up: I don't wanna know
People like this don't deserve good media.
Trauma mindset: I wont watch andor because the first person who recommended it to me really hurt me
Please what is Vader be able to do? If he does anything else than force choke some rando and does standard "bad ass" lines, the fanboys will cry about it. He has no politics, no culture, no ideas, no purpose (especially modern vader), he is a "great man" that is just enforcing palps will, which we already have enough of.
Again going back to RLM but Mike explained it best when he said Vader was more of an enforcer like an ss officer in nazi germany than space jesus or space john wick.
Yeah, Vader in the first SW movie was more like hired muscle instead of the Emperor's right hand man. He's subservient to Tarkin and he's openly mocked by Imperial officers throughout the movie. Certainly not someone who's basically second in command of the whole Empire.
I'm sure something in the canon explained its way around this, but it's obvious that George Lucas didn't have the backstories of these characters planned from the beginning like he'd claimed.
It's even called out in the original trilogy in the first film lmao.
"...your sad devotion to that ancient religion."
"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
This is one of the most famous scenes and one of the most quoted lines in the whole series. Even in-universe, people talk shit to Vader straight to his face about being nothing more than the Emperor's attack dog when he needs someone competent to do some evil shit.
In universe jedi & sith are seen as religious cults. In KOTOR the sith-jedi war is called “Jedi Civil War” because people think its about jedi fighting over “doctrine”.
If the SS had pagan occult magics like some consipracists say, they'd still be the SS. Vader can be an evil wizard and also a space nazi.
Himmler build a larp nazi arthurian pagan castle in wewelsburg because it was a nexus of the spirits of fallen saxon warriors or something- replace saxon with sith and that’s very much palps.
The most you can do with him is have him be like a horror movie monster where he shows up and kills a bunch of rebels who are helpless before him. But you gotta build up to that by making us care about the rebels in question so we feel bad when they get murked.
Fallen Order uses him somewhat like this (light spoilers) - he turns up at the end and all you can do is run the fuck away as he uses his monstrous force powers to tear the station around you apart (with partially destroyed terrain providing a convenient route to safety, of course). Definitely a top 5 Vader moment, along with the corridor scene at the end of Rogue One and "Then you shall die braver than most" in Rebels.
I'd watch that. Basically Jason with psionics.
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached. Which in the 70s makes for good movie villain and idiotic political premise, but alas, george lucas has been vindicated again
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached.
perfect but also thanks I hate it
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I also remember the action packed duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader in A New Hope.
if you like that you should watch some grandpas who have been doing kendo for 50 years
They actually made that in the Obi Wan show and it sucked ass lol. All I remember is Obi Wan pelting Vader with shitty CGI rocks
I wanted lightsaber fighting as a child. Somewhere in my mid teens I wanted to know the lore but as an adult I want lightsaber fights
P.s. no idea what andor is
P.s. no idea what andor is
That's good, that means you get to experience it completely blind for the first time!
Go watch it, now. 
(if you have the time for 12 50-minute episodes)
I'd watch it because it's good, not because it's Star Wars fan fiction.
protip: George Lucas only made 6 Star Wars movies.
The prequels get too much credit. People have nostalgia glasses on for what were bad movies. The same complaints today about the Disney trilogy (except for the chud complaints) were made about the prequels.
Like how you gonna have Samuel L. Jackson in your movie and have him be completely wooden? There's multiple academy award winners and nominees in there, yet their acting sucks. It's because they had a shitty director with Lucas not letting anyone else have input or telling him no.
I was still a kid, but older going into my teens when they came out. I remember the reactions people had, comparing them to the original trilogy. My point is, chuds get themselves worked up over a franchise that's been objectively terrible as though they were the pinnacle of modern cinema. They need to just shut the fuck up and enjoy the slop.
I don't know, I'll defend the prequels a little bit. They're still bad movies, but they're bad in a way that was... interesting? Besides pod racing, which rips, they had some actual political ideas and were at least set against a backdrop of a liberal democracy descending into fascism.
A manufactured war creates a crisis and goads a small group of bourgeois senatorial elites to concentrate power in the hands of a unitary executive who uses that power to abolish the liberal democracy. The sequels don't have anything resembling politics, just vibes.
George absolutely needed reined in but he did have some good ideas in the all the slop. But I'm willing to give him way more slack for modeling the rebels in the OT after the Viet Cong than maybe should. 
I was 22 when TPM was released and my friends and I were so excited to go see a new Star Wars movie. The first one came out the year I was born so even though I'm nearly 50 now I never got to see the originals in that form and this was a huge moment for Scifi nerds like us. We got together all the old crew, we had all graduated college at that point and didn't see each other often and this was like an event. We piled into the theater...
When it ended we all just sat there confused. No one wanted to be the one to admit that the movie fucking sucked. It sucked so hard I was embarrassed to be there. We all looked at each other like uh.... was... that good? Finally someone was like "I wanted to leave since the underwater scenes"
The prequels suck. The only reason anyone like them is that they were kids when they came out and it tickles the nostalgia centers of their brains. The next two were slightly better but only very slightly. I will never watch them again.
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And Andor is better than any of those six
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