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US president admits to concern Russian counterpart does not want to ‘stop the war’ and ponders new approach to Moscow

Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy have sat down for a face-to-face talk in the opulent halls of a Vatican basilica to discuss a possible ceasefire, after which the US president accused his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, of not wanting to “stop the war”.

The White House described Trump’s meeting with the Ukrainian leader before Pope Francis’s funeral as “very productive”, while Zelenskyy said on X that the talk with the US president was symbolic and had the “potential to become historic, if we achieve joint results”.

It was the first time that Zelenskyy and Trump had met face to face after a frosty February encounter in the White House where Trump and the US vice-president, JD Vance, berated the Ukrainian leader and accused him of ingratitude for US aid.

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 77 points 2 months ago

I find it interesting that after one meeting with Zelenskyy in a neutral place, without any handlers present, that Trump has done such a sudden about face.

Maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe it's just that Trump's tiny mind can only hold one thought at a time, so it fixates on the last thing that was said to him. But it's also possible that he is being actively manipulated by foreign actors, and Zelenskyy just managed to pierce their control over Trump by staging this very private talk, in a public place, where he could be guaranteed that his message could be delivered directly.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 months ago

Trump frequently comes away believingwhat the last person he spoke to said. It's one of his defining characteristics. We'll see how long this sticks.

[-] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

Like Joe Rogan

[-] dzso@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The theory that Melania is his handler makes a lot of sense in that case.

[-] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think he probably has dementia. It makes it easier to have him do stupid shit, easier to influence, but also makes it harder to stop him once he fixates. Also easy to manipulate can very much backfire.

Soon they'll all be falling over themselves to appease the mad king. I hate this so much.

I really hope we actually give Ukraine full fucking support. They deserve it.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

What times were these meetings? Was he sundowning?

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Right before the pope’s ceremony iirc

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago

Maybe it's just that Trump's tiny mind can only hold one thought at a time, so it fixates on the last thing that was said to him.

You nailed it here. Nothing more to it.

[-] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I was thinking that the sudden, impromptu nature of the Pope's funeral left Putin unable to prep Trump full of disinformation just before.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

No, the death itself and the plans for the funeral may have been sudden, but the Pope had been unwell for a while and I'm sure every government had a contingency plan to drop everything and go to the funeral.

And Putin is ex-KGB (as if you could ever really be a "former" spy). If Putin really is advising Trump, you can be sure that he had a script all teed up for Trump, and Trump got his talking points before the trip.

But the Vatican, at this particular event, is perhaps the only place in the world where Zelenskyy and Trump could have had this talk, without anyone else present.

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Maybe it’s just that Trump’s tiny mind can only hold one thought at a time, so it fixates on the last thing that was said to him.

There is no shortage of evidence to support this this conclusion.

But it’s also possible that he is being actively manipulated by foreign actors

This too. No reason both can't be true at the same time.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Trump is weak-minded and repeats whatever someone just told him. That's why so much power resides with whoever controls access to Trump.

[-] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 4 points 2 months ago

Ratings. Flip flop Trump sees that he’s not liked in the polls and will flip and flop without hesitation.

[-] arakhis_@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

trump literally the deep state controlled puppet conservatives are so scared about (hyper-rich control said administation)

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

He only knows what the last convincing person said to him -- IF -- IF he's had a sliver of doubt about Putin's loyalty to HIM. Putin's lack of giving T a ceasefire that T needs to appear to accomplish something does that.

What's funny is T is literally the last person in the country to get to this realization. But hey, maybe he got there, right?

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That video of him sitting in his desk like a ignored elder while Elon(with his effin kid) talks to the media in the oval office gave me strong puppet vibes

[-] Goretantath@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Its a ploy to prevent being impeached, the protests are working and they are scared.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

No, he's just stupid. Zelensky got him alone and sold him on this and he talked to the source before he got back to his handlers. He'll be straightened out again in a couple days.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

I hope Zelenskyy manages to play the Moronic Fascist Orange like a fiddle.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 2 points 2 months ago

Bare minimum, Orange Shitler has announced to the world he believes he can be manipulated.

Can't wait to hear how this is actually what strong men do from my relatives.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago

This manchild is one of the dumbest people in existence. The only people more idiotic are the people who voted for him.

[-] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Who says, "...tapping me along."?

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

Someone who used to wear an onion on his belt, which was the style at the time.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Oooooo-hat?

[-] Steve@startrek.website 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Language can vary, we take it for granite alot of the time.

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Someone participating in the scheme.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

ROFL. What a shit show. I want off this planet. This is the new reality.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 9 points 2 months ago

flip-flopper

[-] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, but that's this week's statement. After you talk to Putin or your cheerleaders of chaos you'll then condemn Zelensky and Ukraine again. Not a single own thought, only "he said, she said".

It's like a child who can't choose between two divorcing parents, where one tries to be reasonable and the other tries to poison you against the first one. "This week little Donny will stay with papa Putin, next week he's gonna stay with papa Zelensky". Meanwhile an unnamed soldier doesn't know if he's gonna live or die today, not knowing his life is being affected by these childish and ever-shifting geopolitics.

Would you look at that. A POTUS, arguably the most influential seat on the planet, occupied by an empty shell of a puppet who doesn't have a mind of his own, who needs to be told what to think.

Until now any POTUS had, by default, the soft power and influence to make Russia back the fuck off. This one, however, is using that power in all the wrong ways, and completely erasing the US soft power over the planet. Instead of solidifying Ukraine's position he Instead undermining it and giving the advantage to the Goliath invading them.

[-] dzso@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Honestly makes me think if they could get Melania out of the White House, it might be more effective than getting Trump out.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Wow, PigBoy almost showed signs of sentience for a second there.

[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

What?! Noooo. Putin would never lead you along.

[-] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Took him long enough.

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Every once in awhile he accidentally realizes something

[-] blakenong@lemmings.world 3 points 2 months ago

It’s so much more frightening to think that he actually doesn’t know what’s going on. That he doesn’t even have a poorly sketched plan. Could he really not have more than a day ahead?

[-] DarkGamer@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure he has object permanence.

[-] Sizing2673@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This is true, it's unlikely to have object permanence

We have only seen object permanence in highly intelligent creatures such as crows

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

In his own words, he only has the concepts of a plan.

[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

Putin "oooohh I'd love to tap your ass!"

Trump "lets go!"

[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Did the orange cats share their OneOrangeBraincell with him for a moment there?

[-] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ what the 💩

[-] CocaineShrimp@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Credit where credit is due - I really hope Trump starts seeing the light from this point forwards

[-] breakingcups@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I cannot fathom saying something so incredibly naive after the mountains of evidence of Trump's character and thought process.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You know, we famously have a military that would be good for this.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Democrats learned the putin lesson in 2014.

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