272
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by JaymesRS@literature.cafe to c/memes@lemmy.world

Alt Text: an image of Agent Smith from The Matrix with the following text superimposed, "1999 was described as being the peak of human civilization in 'The Matrix' and I laughed because that obviously wouldn't age well and then the next 25 years happened and I realized that yeah maybe the machines had a point."

top 46 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When I heard that line I was like "Yeah, sure. We'll never have AI in my lifespan" and you know what? I was right.

What I wasn't expecting was for a bunch of tech bros to create an advanced chatbot and announce "Behold! We have created AI, let's have it do all of our thinking for us!" while the chatbot spits out buggy code and suggests mixing glue into your pizza sauce.

[-] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

I work in the gaming industry and every week I receive emails about how AI is gonna revolutionize my job and get sent to time wasting training about how to use Figma AI or other shit like that because it's the best thing ever according to HR... and it never is obviously.

At best, it's gonna make middle managing jobs easier but for devs like me, as long as the "AI" stays out of our engines and stays into the equivalent of cooperative vision boards, it does nothing for me. Not once have I tried to use it for it to turn actually useful. It's mediocre at best and I can't believe there are game devs that actually try to code with it, can't wait to see these hot garbage products come on the market.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When I heard that line I was like "Yeah, sure. We'll never have AI in my lifespan" and you know what? I was right.

Unless you just died or are about to, you can't really confidently make that statement.

There's no technical reason to think we won't in the next ~20-50 years. We may not, and there may be a technical reason why we can't, but the previous big technical hurdles were the amount of compute needed and that computers couldn't handle fuzzy pattern matching, but modern AI has effectively found a way of solving the pattern matching problem, and current large models like ChatGPT model more "neurons" than are in the human brain, let alone the power that will be available to them in 30 years.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

There's no technical reason to think we will in the next ~20-50 years, either.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

the previous big technical hurdles were the amount of compute needed and that computers couldn’t handle fuzzy pattern matching

Was it? I thought it was always about we haven't quite figure it out what thinking really is

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

There's no technical reason to think we won't in the next ~20-50 years

Other than that nobody has any idea how to go about it? The things called "AI" today are not precursors to AGI. The search for strong AI is still nowhere close to any breakthroughs.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 3 points 1 month ago

I was surprised how poorly they still did as a chatbot vs ELIZA over after 50 years of potential progress and how revered they are in certain contexts.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375117569_Does_GPT-4_Pass_the_Turing_Test

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The best-performing GPT-4 prompt passed in 49.7% of games, outperforming ELIZA (22%) and GPT-3.5 (20%), but falling short of the baseline set by human participants (66%).

Given the baseline is 66% the GPT-4 results are fairly impressive

[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

You won't have general purpose true AI until it can actually think and reason, llm will never do that. At most they would be a way of interaction with an AI.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

AI is an umbrella term that covers many things we've already had for a long time, including things like machine learning. This is not a new definition of AI, it's always been this definition.

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You’re not going to achieve AI on classical computers and is simply rebranded for machine learning like how 5G was advertised to bring futuristic utopia back in 2020 only to have 4K being considered a premium feature behind paid subscriptions from 𝕏 (Twitter) to YouTube.

Quantum Computers do exist but it’s far from being on the palm of your hand.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Machine learning is a subcategory of AI, which is exactly what I mean by my previous comment.

[-] Nachtnebel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're confusing AI and AGI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

AGI is what people mean, when they say "AI doesn't exist": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence

While AI is a program that can do a task associated with human intelligence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

AI is not supposed to be an artificial human being. AI just does a task that people associated with humans (before they readjusted the definition of intelligence after it being created).

A bot that plays chess is an AI.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

It used to be that AI was AI and then when AI was coopted by the stupid they had to come up qith AGI

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

No, it just wasn't mainstream to talk about because the average person didn't encounter AI

People playing video games have been differentiating between AI and AGI for over 50 years, though, considering enemies in video games are all AI

[-] Demdaru@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ya know, I can remember AI being used even in hella old games for enemies.

Which had even less to do with AI than LLM.

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

I genuinely do not understand these very obviously biased comments. By the very definition of AI, we have had it for decades, and suddenly people say we don't have it? I don't get it. Do you hate LLMs so much you want to change the entire definition for AI (and move it under AGI or something)? This feels unhinged, disconnected from reality, biases so strong it looks like delusions

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago

What is delusional is calling a token generator intelligent. These programs don't know what the input is, nor do they understand what they put out. They "know" that after this sequence of tokens, what a likely successive token is based on previously supplied data.

They understand nothing. They generate nothing new. They don't think. They are not intelligent.

They are very cool, very impressive and quite useful. But intelligent? Pffffffh

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

What is delusional is calling a token generator intelligent

Hey, real quick, what has the thing controlling the enemies in video games been called for 50 years and would you equally call that delusional, or are you just specifically butthurt at LLMs?

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

Why is it so hard for you to understand word "artificial"? It seems like you even avoid it. Just like artificial everything, especially weed and flavours, it's not the real thing, and was never meant to be the real thing, and yet you're essentially an old man yelling at cloud because something is artificial and does not act like the real human intelligence

[-] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

We had passed the peak. Limp Bizkit was already popular. Every dude I know that loved that band is now a middle aged incel.

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

God,

thought they were cool.

haven't heard of them in decades, not until the new Devil May Cry in netflix. enjoyed the nostalgia.

now I'm afraid I've become a middle aged incel.

someone put me down before it gets worse, why am I suddenly interested in starting a podcast?

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Checks out. I lived through those times and see the same trend. Fuck that band was intolerable.

[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Fred Durst isn't a bad singer, he did a pretty good cover of behind blue eyes. Looking at reviews it wasn't super popular but I thought it was decent.

[-] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I feel like they used a lot of help from ProTools to make him some better on that one, though. Since there want really auto tune back then.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

So much horseshit happened around 2000 that forever split our timeline...

  • W Stealing the election

  • Bin Laden attacking and making the entire world forever lose their mind and hope

  • Never ending wars and climate destruction because no-one cared anymore about collaboration

That 4 year period altered the world's trajectory for the worse on so many levels.

W lies and propaganda led to Putin and Trump and it set the stage for all of the anti queer and anti immigrant rhetoric

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

W lies and propaganda led to Putin and Trump

At least talking about Putin, that jerk and his family (both actual and "family") created most of the lies, propaganda and war in the ex-Soviet space themselves. Starting right with year 1991 (Yeltsin had a different public image, but it was one team), hijacking a honest democratic movement, breaking what institutions limiting them USSR still had (under democratic excuses), and making every regional conflict a thorn in its body, either hard to remove or fulfilling their goals when removed. Consummating their achieved right to answer legal arguments with cannons in 1993, their achieved right to arbitrarily wage war on their compatriots in 1996, and their achieved right to kill anyone they don't like in 1999. They literally rule Russia as an occupied country, they even live mostly abroad.

So by 2000 Russia was already deep in shit. Dunno about USA.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org -1 points 1 month ago

Bin Laden attacking and making ~~the entire world~~ the USA forever lose their mind and hope

FTFY

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

If you don't think the anti terror bullshit panic didn't spread around the world, then you weren't paying attention. A lot of governments used it to pass all kinds of anti democratic bullshit in guise of "security"

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

That AND the war on terror was something the west and Putin could “agree on” regardless of what their definition of terror meant.

It helped Putin do his thing without it being so shocking

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 1 month ago

It literally was the peak though. Maybe early 2000s minus 9/11. But after 2010 it absolutely went downhill.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh goodness no. We had the War on Terror for 15 years after 2001. Global civilization took a serious crash dive after that. The terrorists won.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

The terrorists won.

Like Bush, Putin, Erdogan, those terrorists. Yep.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago

Bin Laden killed less than Bush did. And Obama.

What a fucked up world the state has invented.

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago

unless you're queer. queerphobia was much more rampant back then.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Interestingly enough though, the directors of the matrix are two trans women

But while yes, queerphobia was worse in some ways, it was also not as bad in others. For example, trans people didn't have the massive organized targeted attack back then. In many ways, things have gotten worse in this aspect too

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

Question for the trans folk here: which time period was harder for you? Hostile ignorance or hostile attention?

[-] WhiteRabbit_33@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

During hostile ignorance:

  • I had to leave the state I grew up in to get into a place I could access medical care, get away from an unaccepting family, and get into a place I wasn't afraid of being attacked while transitioning (being visibly trans till HRT kicked in).
  • Trans panic was seen as more of a valid defence back then for killing trans people.
  • I think we were seen as more of a curiosity/fetish than people, but that's debatable since that's definitely still an issue.
  • People were more afraid of being visibly trans and finding community outside of forums was harder.
  • I was certain I'd lose my job when I inevitably had to come out and had prepared for it by saving up enough to get me through finding another job. I was amazed when that didn't happen and most of the company accepted me. I still had to deal with harassment that nowadays would probably get those people fired.

During hostile attention:

  • I had to leave my home due to the state no longer ignoring us and focusing on passing laws to make our lives more difficult.
  • I know a ton of trans people and have a stronger support network. Finding others is easier now.
  • Medical care is easier to get now if you aren't living in one of the states currently trying to ban HRT.
  • Parents seem a little more accepting but it's still divisive
  • I'm less afraid of the average person fucking with me in most areas of the US
  • I'm afraid of government attempts to round myself or loved ones up into camps within the next few years.

Generally, I prefer the visibility and broader social acceptance we have now. More people know about us, so more people hate us but way more people accept us. I see it as how being gay was in the aughts. More people were out and it was less of a big deal even though there was still a lot of hate crimes against gay people. Now it's way more accepted outside of ultra conservative areas. I'm hoping we are more accepted within a decade instead of being rounded up and killed en masse.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

The US is not all of civilization.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 9 points 1 month ago

The rise of authoritarianism and nationalism is happening in multiple countries like Hungary, Russia, China, and the U.S. Parties like AfD have grown in strength in the last 20 years, thanks in part to the ability of social media companies to prioritize "engagement" to enable them to make more money over societal health.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I think China and Russia are pretty far gone

Other countries we can still help save

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Life in China is immensely better now than it was in 1999, what are you talking about?

[-] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago

Life is only better in China economically (even this is debatable), but people care about many other aspects of life as well. The limited liberties that the Chinese people had in 1999 are disappearing quickly.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

They're also living longer - smog has been greatly reduced and they have access to better healthcare than ever before.

[-] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Weren't they welding doors shut on people during COVID?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That was just a sensationalized story - they sealed the extra doors on a building but left one open, so they could do controlled screening. I think it was actually just that one building too. They didn't weld people inside buildings to die 🙄

As a result they had one of the best COVID responses in the world and saved countless lives.

this post was submitted on 03 May 2025
272 points (99.3% liked)

memes

15201 readers
3480 users here now

Community rules

1. Be civilNo trolling, bigotry or other insulting / annoying behaviour

2. No politicsThis is non-politics community. For political memes please go to !politicalmemes@lemmy.world

3. No recent repostsCheck for reposts when posting a meme, you can only repost after 1 month

4. No botsNo bots without the express approval of the mods or the admins

5. No Spam/AdsNo advertisements or spam. This is an instance rule and the only way to live.

A collection of some classic Lemmy memes for your enjoyment

Sister communities

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS