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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Since we have had houses with multiple rooms it has certainly made sense to shout “where are you?”

Scratch that. Since there were opaque things larger than a human that could be positioned in between two humans (rock, tree, bush, animal) it has made sense.

Scratch that. Since there was dark it has made sense.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 11 points 11 hours ago

I mean, what is this chart? What are the metrics?

[-] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 hours ago

This is Google Ngrams, and the exact results can be found right here. It charts the frequency of a word or phrase occurring in all literature in Google's library, by publication date. You can make interesting inferences about the popularity of words. Also, try two words, phrases or names separated by a comma to compare them side by side.

It's really cool but people have stopped talking about it much since it came out years ago.

[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 hours ago

This is a neat tool! I searched for "how are you?" and got almost the same graph so I'm not sure if it's as meaningful as people think. Probably more related to casual conversations being captured in text more.

[-] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago

yeah same with "who are you"

[-] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

My guess would be Google scholar (or whatever their thing is called which lets you search through a bazillion indexed books and other texts)

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 74 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I read this once before and it's one of those facts I find endlessly fascinating. It's simple and obvious why it wasn't normal before recent times...

It just scratches my nerd fact itch I guess.

It's right up there with

  • social security numbers were promised to never be used as essentially your "human number" for things and would only be used for ss benefits

And

  • minimum wage WAS designed and WAS intended to be a livable wage. It very specifically was proposed and made law with the point being it's the lowest wage which a person can support themselves. People saying "minimum wage isn't supposed to be livable wage!" Are wrong.

Oh and

-we see the color that is not absorbed by an object. So essentially we see every color the object ISNT.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago

Not to be too pedantic but that last one isn't quite correct. Color "happens" after the object is hit with light - it's defined by our perception of the wavelengths that bounce off.

Which I suppose raises the question... Is a blue box still blue in total darkness? Is its color defined by the light its reflecting or it's capacity to reflect? I think the latter but I don't really know

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 2 points 5 hours ago

Is a blue box still blue in total darkness?

Depends on the context of the question, but generally I'd argue it is still a blue box, since that's most likely a question about the property of the box, rather than its current state.

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

Please be pedantic. I enjoy it. That isn't sarcasm, I love a good "technically...."

Yes you're right. It is fun to think about tho.

[-] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Well color requires light in the visible spectrum. So, imo, no in a pitch black room the box would not be blue

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

But if you took a box you know is blue into the pitch black room, nothing changes about the box. Would it not still have the same characteristics that cause us to perceive it as blue?

Likewise, is it still blue if you close your eyes?

[-] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Well the characteristics that cause us to perceive it as blue comes from the light reflecting off of it's surface. So without the light that characteristic goes away. But if you close your eyes (and stay in a lit room) I would say it's still blue, trees falling in the woods and all that.

I don't think "color" is an immutable property of an object

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 15 hours ago

It probably wasn't written to the quantity it is today, but it doesn't mean it wasn't used.

Mass literacy wasn't a thing until the past 100 years, so a lot of people didn't even write anything down about their lives.

Even once mass literacy was adopted, the written word was generally sent to specific places. Outside of combat messengers, letters generally went to specific places where people would pick them up. If you were able to read the written message, you were probably in a known location to the sender.

It isn't until cellular text messaging or Internet chat where it became common to not know where a person was when you were talking to them.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago

Your last point is more of a philosophical / semantical one. What does it even mean that something is a specific color?

It's like how blue butterflies actually don't have any blue pigments but rather have a nanostructure that interferes with light in a way that favors blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Ts7CsJDpg

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Definitely philosophical! I don't think there's really a definite answer

[-] Aeao@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yes you're right. It's just something I like to think about.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 15 hours ago

There are these butterflies in Central America. They're blue and orange and yellow and have poison in their wings, just enough to stop a bird heart. But the birds know this somehow, so they don't eat them. But there are other ones, butterflies, they're orange, blue and yellow too but no poison wings. They're just flying around, looking dangerous, getting by on their looks.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

But the birds know this somehow, so they don't eat them.

They know this because all birds who tried to eat them, died.

[-] treesapx@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago
[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Right no one ever looked for anyone or snytuingnin the dark. Ffs

[-] joshcodes@programming.dev 2 points 1 hour ago

I had a snytuingnin once but luckily my doctor removed it.

[-] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

History is rife with stories about some King/General/Warlord demanding that his princely sons lead their battalions to capture some town and then re-join his larger army. It was common to send a scout or courier to go find the sons for an update, essentially asking "where are you?". If a long siege or other poor conditions delayed one of the princes, then by the time he arrived to the meeting location the father could already be dead, or worse, extremely disappointed.

[-] mspencer712@programming.dev 43 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Marco! Polo!

CW (continuous wave / Morse code) over RF in the 1900s.

Walkie talkies and car phones in the 1940s.

AMPS cell phones in the 1980s.

Mostly though they’re right. When you used telecommunications systems you were largely communicating with a location or a known station, not a personal identity. Fascinating to think about.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 4 points 18 hours ago

The CW folks would presumably be sending QTH instead


I wonder if this graph captures that/if it would make an appreciable difference?

[-] norby@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

The Hebrew "Ayekah" in the myth of Adam and Eve is often translated to "Where are you?"

In the story, God asks Eve this after the whole fruit thing.

Granted its probably a much more metaphorical use, as there is already an established narrative of an omnipotent, omnipresent, and all-knowing deity by this point.

Semantically it might count, but as far as the actual meaning of the words it was probably more of a question of concern and not of location.

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 28 points 19 hours ago

You hear your buddy, but you can't see him because of foliage in the way. "Where are you?". This scenario could happen all throughout history.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago

Just call his cell phone, you'll hear it ring through the foliage.

[-] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago

Or just in another room. I'm sure we've all asked "where are you?" to someone distant at home.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago

...AND IM SO SORRY!!!!

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 13 points 19 hours ago
[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Peekaboo was invented

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 19 hours ago

Everybody went blind for a hot minute

[-] valkyre09@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

I wonder if the spike is radio, then the dip is landline telephones followed by a spike of mobile phones?

[-] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 15 points 19 hours ago

After Marconi sent wireless telegraphic signals across the Atlantic Ocean in 1901, the system began being used for regular communication including ship-to-shore and ship-to-ship communication.

People probably realized that they should preemptively describe where they were soon afterwards, so asking about that was surely not necessary very often.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Global Marco Polo tournament of 1900

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

prolly telephones getting more attention, or maybe that morse code thing

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Wizard of Oz maybe?

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago

There are some instances I can think of, but very few; smoke signals, whistles, marching bands for battle.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Hide & Seek?

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago
[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

I think both people know where everyone is because of the addresses.

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Me sending a multicast arp request over mail.

[-] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 6 points 19 hours ago

I suppose that, until recently, all communication methods made it clear to someone where the recipient of a message was. Someone getting a letter probably got it at a particular place or from a particular person, and even a phone call would often require using a particular device at a particular place. Even if you didn't know where someone was when they received a message from you, it would be such an obvious question that people would probably provide it in a message to you even if they weren't asked about it (see https://greatships.net/distress and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRN2nP_9dA for an example from the Titanic). This makes me think that "Where are you?" actually means "I don't know where you are" / "I'm having trouble finding you" and is most useful when you can communicate with the person more frequently than they would announce their position (which might only describe situations when you're talking to someone using a cell phone).

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago
[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

That doesn't mean "where are you" it means "why are you". That's why she goes on to say "would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?" because she's venting about how, if he didn't have the family name he has, their love wouldn't be forbidden.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 13 points 16 hours ago

Everyone asks wherefore art thou and whence comest thou, but no one asks how dost thou fare 😔

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

I thought I remembered it being something else!

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