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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 125 points 1 month ago

By signaling to oncoming traffic and vehicles approaching from the side, a front brake light provides an essential visual cue that a car is slowing down or preparing to stop. When the light is extinguished, it indicates that a stationary vehicle might initiate movement. According to Tomasch, this visual feedback can significantly truncate the reaction time for other road users, leading to shorter stopping distances and consequently diminishing the likelihood of accidents.

Sounds reasonable. Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 70 points 1 month ago

And also like, used at all.

[-] rollerbang@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Here's an idea. How about we zap the drivers after they make a turn if they didn't use a turn signal beforehand? 😀

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Can we do this in the same bill as the popup spikes that take out your tires if you stop across the crosswalk? The guided RPGs replacing red light cams can wait a little longer.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago

Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again

Not sure if I read that correctly, but I don't think this has ever been the case?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

I mean when a car is coming at me from a cross street, I want to be able to tell if they're turning or just an asshole not using their signal. On some cars, the turn signal is mounted so far to the side that if they're approaching from my right and turning right onto the same street as me, I can't see that turn signal. Sometimes combined with the roundness of the nose exacerbating the problem.

[-] SaltSong@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago

I think what he wants is the front turn signal to wrap around the front, so I can see the left signal from the right quarter.

I'm not aware that this is not the case, but I don't know that I would have noticed if it was not.

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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Theres a saying in computer stuff that applies nicely here. PEBKAC, problem exists between keyboard and computer...turn signals have to be turned on, no amount of engineering can fix bad driving.

[-] Gerblat@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Heads up, it’s actually keyboard and chair, not keyboard and computer

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[-] drbluefall@toast.ooo 10 points 1 month ago

I've always heard it as "PICNIC"

Problem In Chair, Not In Computer

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

And never forget about the I-D ten T error.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

ID10T for those who didn't get it.

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[-] sour@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

How would you do that so it isn't ugly as hell and isn't prone to misunderstanding?

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How would you do that so it isn’t ugly as hell

same way we do with lights now, design them attractively. It is not always successful and that's on the manufacturers.

and isn’t prone to misunderstanding?

what about it is confusing? green = not coming at you so it's okay to turn left (or whatever).

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[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 month ago

I'd rather see mandatory rear running lights. The amount of people who can't be arsed to turn on their lights in bad visibility conditions is too damn high.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and on the opposite side don’t turn on your emergency lights while driving in bad weather. you’re only causing confusion by making it seem like you have turn signals on if i can’t see both blinkers.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The hazards also override your turn signals so I now have no idea when you are going to attempt lane change.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The hazards are to indicate you are stopped and now a hazard.

Only when you are stopped and now a hazard. Your car becomes a blinking light. We have road rules for blinking lights, so it SHOULD be saying one specific thing.

Thank you for coming to this road safety talk.

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[-] JaN0h4ck@feddit.org 40 points 1 month ago

Not selling tanks as cars could also help. Especially with fatality rates

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[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 35 points 1 month ago

I still think rear signaling could be improved dramatically by using a wide third-brake light to show the intensity of braking.

For example -- I have seen some aftermarket turn signals which are bars the width of the vehicle, and show a "moving" signal starting in the center and then progressing towards the outer edge of the vehicle.

So now take that idea for brake. When you barely have your foot on the brake pedal, it would light a couple lights in the center of your brake signal. Press a little harder and now it's lighting up 1/4 of the lights from the center towards the outside edge of the vehicle. And when you're pressing the brake pedal to the floor, all of the lights are lit up from the center to the outside edges of the vehicle. The harder you press on the pedal, the more lights are illuminated.

Now you have an immediate indication of just how hard the person in front of you is braking. With the normal on/off brake signals, you don't know what's happening until moments later as you determine how fast you are approaching that car. They could be casually slowing, or they could be locking up their wheels for an accident in front of them.

[-] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 16 points 1 month ago

Japan introduced brake lights that increase intensity based on how hard the driver was braking. 20+ years ago. They tested it in the US and drivers found it to be “confusing.”

[-] Celestus@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

BMW has implemented this in the US market for the past 20 years or so at least. Under heavy braking, additional brake lights turn on. I believe they call that Brake Force Display. I’m sure they’re not the only manufacturer to do this, too

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[-] ConstableJelly@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

I think that's a neat idea, but we could instead, collectively, just do better at following other cars at a safe distance. I know it's impractical to expect all drivers on the road everywhere to change their behavior, but it's also persistently frustrating as someone who has for years frequently been stuck in traffic to see 95% of drivers insist on following less than a car-length behind. Following too closely to enable decision-making or accommodate other drivers is the cause of like 98% of both traffic accidents and congestion, according to my completely anecdotal and made up research.

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[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think a secondary light that blinks quickly would be a good signal of emergency braking. Like some aftermarket motorcycle taillights that start with a blinking pattern before they stay on, but reverse the order.

So, standard brake light comes on at the standard time, at the first touch of the brake. For stronger braking, the second light comes on. For emergency braking, the standard brake light stays lit while the second light begins blinking frantically.

Edit for consistency

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[-] truxnell@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I have seen some cars flash their brake lights when ABS is activated, but this would be better

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[-] vapeloki@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

First of all, this would be illegal in many countries.

Second of all: we can differentiate cars by: has red lights, back.

If we lose this option we can no longer differentiate easily if there is a car coming towards us or driving away from us.

[-] CosmicGiraffe@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

They tested using a green light for the front brake light, not a red one

[-] gjoel@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago

It is to colorblind people. You could use something else of course, just saying...

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[-] chrisbtoo@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

I don't understand this at all. Why do I, as a person in front of a vehicle, care whether or not it's braking?

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

The key detail is that, like with rear brake lights, they extinguish when the foot is removed from the brake pedal. So it's not so much the presence of the brake light, but the presence of an inactive brake light that would, serve as a warning that a car is about to start moving. This would be very helpful to drivers on a road when other drivers are pulling out too early from a side road or driveway. That little bit of extra warning is, in many situations, enough for you to pump the brakes, hit the horn, or both.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

for example, say you are waiting to make a left turn, it would be nice to know if oncoming cars are braking or not. if they are stopped and you see their brake lights turning off, you can judge if you should hurry up or not turn at all.

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[-] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Reminded me of this Technology Connections video, in which the dude explained (among other brake-light related things) how some law allows electric vehicles to get away with not using their brake lights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YW7x9U5TQ

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[-] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 7 points 1 month ago

Like someone said in the hnews comments, this might work for auto transmission but with manual gearing you've got people using engine braking on hills.

Also like stated in the article the colouring is going to be an issue and trying to see some green lights whilst the headlights are on (full beam fog lights perhaps too?) doesn't seem practicable to me.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

with computers these days an acceleration based system should be achievable for all types of cars. hybrid/electric cars already do it with regen braking.

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[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago

I think they should have it so there's a type of "slow down" light that supplements the brake light for when your deceleration is from taking your foot off the gas.

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Please allow me this opportunity to jump in and complain about the minority, but not insignificant number, of people that don't seem to be aware that that is even an option (just taking your foot off of the gas/accelerator to slowly decelerate).

Every couple weeks or so I seem to find myself behind someone that's always either accelerating, or braking, with the brake lights repeatedly flashing on momentarily for no apparent reason. It's like they realize that they're going just a little faster than they want, and definitely don't want to accelerate any more, so the only thing they know to do is hit the brake, instead of just taking their foot off of the accelerator. So they've hit the brake and now they're going too slow, so foot moves off the brake and back to the accelerator. Rinse, lather, repeat.

End rant. Thank you for this opportunity to vent.

[-] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

These people might be two-footed drivers. My mother used to do this and you'd see the brakes flash on and off while following behind her because she'd be hovering her foot on the brake pedal while also hitting the accelerator.

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Those are definitely not people that ever learned to drive a manual transmission.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Every couple weeks or so I seem to find myself behind someone that’s always either accelerating, or braking, with the brake lights repeatedly flashing on momentarily for no apparent reason.

In many EVs and Hybrids the "letting off the accelerator" engages the regeneration drag which slows the car. A number of vehicle makers with particularly aggressive drag (which gets higher regen rates) automatically illuminate the brake lights. So if you're behind one of these it will look like they are braking when they may have no foot on any pedal (brake or accelerator).

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

thanks for this information. Next time i see this I won't be confused

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[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Perhaps a short paragraph of text elaborating on the driver's intentions

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[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

This sure riled people up.

[-] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I read the article and the next one comes up: "Mouse Sperm Structure Unveils Asthenozoospermia Mechanisms" and my co-worker was like wtf are you reading.

Since we're all throwing random ideas out here, I want to equip my vehicle with an annoyingly loud external speaker so that when someone near me does something dumb, I can personally shame them.

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[-] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Risk Compension predicts that drivers would simply use this new information to drive more aggressively, negating any possible safety benefits.

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The classic example we already have of this is when you are stopped at a side road about to enter the main road, and a car coming towards you on the main road signals to turn in.

Many people take the fact the other car has their turn signal on as a guarantee that it's safe to emerge, but any good driving instructor will tell you to wait until the car actually begins to turn before you yourself emerge.

They had their signal on but that doesn't mean they're actually going to DO what the signal said they would.

Same with the front brake light. It would be like "Well their front brake light came on, so I assumed it was safe to step into the crosswalk" NO. They could have just tapped the brake a second, doesn't mean they saw you, or they will actually stop.

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