Why are people calling Windows vista (sh.itjust.works)

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

From day one of Windows 11, I wrote that Windows 11 felt like an unnecessary replacement for Windows 10. I’ve since changed my mind about that, in part because Microsoft has pivoted toward features like Windows Spotlight and adding AI capabilities like Copilot. MacOS Tahoe looks and feels somewhat like Windows Vista’s Aero Glass design language, but you can’t hold that against them—some of Microsoft’s early Windows efforts were fondly remembered for their UI.

Oh so he doesn't know what he is talking about. How has 11 gotten better with 'AI' or anything else.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

It's got what shareholders crave

[-] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

From day 1 I’ve been critical of Windows 11, but since then I’ve been told our sponsors don’t like that, so here’s why I’m now all in on 11.

[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

blood of slave labour children from the rare earth metal mines?

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

Well, hopefully their opinion changed from "unnecessary replacement" to "replacement with degraded performance and unnecessary malware."

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Also, they don’t seem to remember that Mac OS X 10.2 used Aqua and glassmorphism in 2002 to match their iMac’ brand new translucent style 5 years before Windows Vista was released (2007).

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

Who's "he", and where did that quote come from? I only see an image, did I miss an article cross-posted or something?

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[-] waz@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Context I had no idea what was going on until I found this at the bottom of all the comments.

[-] RidderSport@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Copilot is literally the last nail in the coffin for me to finally switch. 365 has been bad for some time now, with copilot it's basically unusable

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

Also, everyone hated the UI in Vista at the time.

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

I didn't mind it at all, but I had decent hardware, which apparently made all of the difference.

[-] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

I feel like I was the only person who liked vista. XP looked like shit, so I used win 2k instead and switched to Vista, never had any issues with it at all.

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I hated XP’s FisherPrice UI as well…

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[-] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Man I loved Aero and I’m excited for iOS and iPadOS 26. Shit looks beautiful.

[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Didn't Vista get a ton of hate for its new UI?

[-] dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

IIRC, vista got hate because to run it a massive number of users would have to…upgrade…their…hardware.

[-] vandsjov@feddit.dk 4 points 1 week ago

That, and it had a lot of technical changes that broke a lot of drivers and programs. All the technical changes also had lots of bugs that needed to be fixed. And also, Microsoft OK’ed Vista for 512 MB RAM when it should have had at least 1 GB.

When everything started to smooth out, bugs fixed, drivers and programs updated, and computers came with 2GB+ RAM, then Microsoft released Windows 7, based on all of this, and that made Windows 7 shine.

People say that Windows Vista should never had been made but without it, Windows 7 would have suffered the same fate as Vista.

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[-] realitista@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We've seen all the window border/ui design cycles by now. You can have:

Glassy
Metallic
Bubbly
Flat
Chiseled stone

They will just rotate every 7 years or so from here on out.

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The exact same trends go round and round in web design too (and now apps).

At first things were square (because that was all the technology could do) then in the 2000s CSS exploded and everything went colour gradients and rounded corners, just because people could, then that became old-hat and everything went flat and square again, and then rounded came back (but without so many gradients)

Everything is cyclical.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Everything is cyclical.

Be me still waiting for that cozy skeumorphism and UI with depth to come back. =/

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[-] NotProLemmy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Burning

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Bukakke

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Oh, is THAT what that fucking blue splotch everywhere in win11 is? Just an appalling amount of smurf cum, spewing waves of blue jism into the UI at every opportunity?

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Ohhhhhhhhhh I get it! They called it Vista like a view, like something you would see out of a window (I am not very smart)

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

And it's called Windows 11 to remind us of 9/11, because both are fucking tragedies.

[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

I like Windows 11. It's the only OS currently in existence to actually implement HDR properly, and that's just sad.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Nothing else works but hey the blacks are blacker!

[-] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Nothing else works

With the exception of some UI elements I need third party tools to restore to their previous customizability, I’ve had no problems making anything that worked in 10 work in 11. Which isn’t surprising, 11 is 10, with a shitty UI redesign.

What doesn’t work?

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

My throat hurts and you made me laugh too hard, I hope you are happy.

[-] QuincyPeck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I’ve only just now made the connection because of your post.

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because people don’t seem to remember that Mac OS X 10.2 used Aqua and glassmorphism in 2002 to match their iMac’ brand new translucent style 5 years before Windows Vista was released (2007).

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

People spreading these memes most likely weren’t born before either release 😀

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

My back hurts

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Get off my ~~lawn~~ Lemmy

[-] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah and odd they don’t see the fundamental difference between these, Apple was always “glass widgets on/in a solid rectangle”

Only on Windows were windows windows

[-] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

fucking dumbasses ROFL hahahahaa

[-] XM34@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Necessary "BTW, I'm using arch linux" comment coming through!

[-] ziggurat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

NixOS

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

https://xkcd.com/528/

[-] sheridan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I've run into gen-z people talking very nostalgically about 2000s UI design trends. They've even retroactively dubbed the era as 'futiger aero'.

I'm a bit older and don't as fondly remember that era; I remember a lot of excesses like nonsensical reflections and calendar apps with leather textures. The 2013 turn to "flat" design felt quite fresh to me, and I haven't really gotten tired of it yet.

[-] socphoenix@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

I miss the glass and translucent looks, the flat boring look of today is very bleak and dystopian looking imo. Don’t miss vista though, that was what started my move to Linux (with Compiz fusion and as many of the ridiculous effects as my poor $300 laptop could handle).

[-] sheridan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I mean, I'm not entirely opposed to some translucency and gloss if it doesn't get in the way of legibility. For me early Mac OS X 'Aqua' circa 2003 is the peak of that aesthetic.

Any UI theme should also be applied consistently. What I hated about Vista is the Aero theme was only surface deep. You were always only a few clicks away from some program that look liked it hadn't been updated since Windows 95.

[-] Wolf314159@startrek.website 7 points 1 week ago

You were always only a few clicks away from some program that look liked it hadn't been updated since Windows 95.

That remains true for 10 and 11 too. For a quick trip back to 1995, just do something that you probably haven't done this millennium, change your mouse pointer. Instant nostalgia. Device manager in general hasn't changed much either.

I wouldn't even count that against them, working functionality shouldn't be changed without good reason, except that it exposes how much windows is a patch job on a fundamentally flawed design. If it were a boat or car, it would be more Bondo than metal at this point. Why are these dialogs so stuck in the past? Shouldn't it be a simple matter to have them use the latest design elements to at least look consistent, even if the functionality hasn't changed a bit.

[-] miguel@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

IMO, it's all about giving the user control. KDE's transparency/translucency controls are the bare minimum. Apple hates giving users choices, though, so I hope they do ok for those folks.

[-] sheridan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I've always hated that about Apple, and I primarily use Apple products. They have opened up a little bit in the last few years though. Like in macOS you can choose from a few different accent colors, you can turn borders on around buttons (I think that's a contrast setting in accessibility), you can turn off transparency, and you can change the color of your mouse cursor (mine is now hot pink—never lose sight of it).

[-] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Apple hates giving users choices, though, so I hope they do ok for those folks.

They’ve definitely improved on this front. It’s fun comparing my iPhone homescreen (a user who moved to iPhone after over a decade of Android customization and arrived at almost just the right time) to people who’ve used iPhone all along. They don’t know what to do with themselves, they’re still pages of app icons.

Meanwhile I’m sitting here with a single beautifully minimal screen with some folders and a big ‘ol weather widget, a swipe gets me to a page full of useful widgets, a swipe the other direction gets me to my app drawer or whatever the hell Apple calls it.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Hell yeah I love that shit. Gimme unnecessarily textured UIs, frosted glass effects and all the skeuomorphisms you can manage.

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[-] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

There was the unreleased Windows “Blackcomb”, basically prior to Redmond seeing Apple’s Aqua, which was like a bit Windows 2000, a bit ME, flatness, outlines, square corners, and it could’ve been metro.

But resolutions and anti-aliasing were getting (slightly) better, so copy Apple, XP instead gets texture and rounds everything.

Vista was another interesting take, especially weird was the window controls. We are still living with those weird long controls with a margin below, but not above them, a lot of the time, even in flat land Windows 11.