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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 133 points 1 week ago

This is a "let them fight" situation

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 74 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I guess but it sucks for civilians caught in the crossfire. Can’t we just have a Khamenei/Bibi cage fight instead?

And then we just don’t let the winner out of the cage.

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[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Iran has the right to defend itself, as they like to say

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago

Another reason to hate Israel. They're making me agree with Iran.

Ew.

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[-] hoch@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Agreed. The the enemy of my enemy is my, uh, enemy? They both suck lol

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[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Stop giving Israel weapons.

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[-] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 113 points 1 week ago

Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 102 points 1 week ago

I don't think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

I don’t think people are cheering them on in general.

I wish that was true, but I've seen plenty of people cheer Iran on in general.

Campism is utter brainrot.

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 week ago

So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?

You see the problem here, right? These aren't black and white, one side good, one side bad situations.

Iran is a terrible country. My partner and I would both be stoned to death there. But there are also queer people living in Iran, in spite of their intolerant regime, many of whom would likely suffer greatly if Isreal manages to force Iran into a war.

Reality is more complicated than just assigning "good guys" and "bad guys". That shit is for Star Wars.

In this specific situation, there is no justification for what Isreal has done. Their attacks on Iran have been unprovoked, and in clear violation of international law. These must recent attacks, by Israel's own admission, include non-military targets which makes them war crimes. Iran on the other hand has responded carefully and proportionally. Does it feel weird to be giving props to such a horrific regime for their behaviour? Absolutely. But it's impossible not to recognize that in this specific situation they are being the adult in the room.

Isreal is actively trying to provoke a war with Iran precisely because they believe it will turn international opinion in their favour, distract from the holocaust they are enacting in Gaza and shore up domestic support for their government. I'm not a fan of anyone involved in this situation, but I sure as hell am not going to express support for the country trying to start a war to distract from their genocide.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

Very well said and 100% accurate.

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[-] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 1 week ago

If one tribe is bad, the other one must automatically be the good one.

There can never be such a thing as TWO bad tribes fighting each other.

[-] BangelaQuirkel@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

The dreaded heel vs heel match

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[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is concept on the left called "critical support" it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.

In this case we can say: For sure killing LGBTQ+ people is not good, but striking a country that is currently carrying out a genocide is a good thing.

P.S. if you have better source for critical support please send.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is concept on the left called “critical support” it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.

also known as "the art of holding more than one thought/belief at once"

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It seems to me this is yet another distraction scheme? Make the people supporting gay rights and the people opposing Israel's cruelty angry at each other?

Don't be fooled. Israel is throwing bombs at civilians regularly because it doesn't even think of Palestinians as humans!

If Israel really stands for "Western values", then i want nothing to do with them. If they throw bombs at innocent people, then they undermine their own credibility and don't deserve to have a say in the world's politics.

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

I'm somewhere along the lines of "I just hope both teams have fun", but the opposite of that

Wishing both sides a very happy total collapse of their existing state

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

The people of Iran do not deserve this. They are under religious authoritarian rule and suffer every day at the hands of these brutes.

Israel on the other hand has many people that support genocide against the Palestinians.

I hope none of the resistance in Israel get hurt or are displaced. I hope no innocent civilians get hurt or are displaced in Iran.

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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 23 points 1 week ago

People are cheering on Iran out of pure spite, not out of genuine support for Iran.

The American people are tired of our government spending out tax dollars to support a genocide and then gaslighting us about it when we call them out. They are also persecuting dissenters on it. This has happened under both Biden and Trump, though Trump has leaned more on the persecution. We are fucking sick of it.

There is satisfaction in seeing someone stand up to genocidal Israel, even if the party doing so is despicable in their own right. I think people would greatly prefer getting behind a western democracy taking a stand, but we're at a point where people will take what they can get. Especially with it being clear that the aforementioned western democracies aren't going to do shit against genocidal Israel.

To non Americans, watching Americans trying to lead the charge against genocide, colonialism and unjust wars is a clown show to me. Especially because it will all be forgotten the next time the U.S invades another country. I’m not against any of these ideas, I just want Americans to shut it and fix their own shit right now

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[-] TxzK@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

Because their enemy is currently executing literally everyone, gay or otherwise

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 20 points 1 week ago

Does it matter if it's Iran? They are still the victims here. Israel is downright genocidal, and won't stop in Iran!

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[-] culprit@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Christian Right that faithfully facilitates Israel's decades of war crimes surely has no problem with gay people.

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

“Lesser-evilism for me but not for thee”

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nobody is out there crowing about the superiority of Iran. Or how Iran is sooooooo great.

It's just schadenfreude. It's a quadruple heroin overdose of schadenfreude directly in our veins. We've screamed and cried and protested and called reps and done everything we could for 2 years while watching a genocide live on TV. For 2 years.

It's very cathartic to see that evil genocidal pedophile colony get its shit rocked. I cheered watching a hypersonic missile hit the Israeli Pentagon and I'll keep cheering.

Israel hit first. They called it preemptive but it was premeditated. Big difference. They punched above their weight now the hit dog is hollering. The very moment Israel sues for peace and comes to the table with concessions I'll support the violence coming to a negotiated end. And not a moment before. Until then. Pound them into fucking sand. Twist the goddamn knife.

Chump can get involved if he wants but I won't go die for Israel. Not for all the money held by the Forbes 500. If they call a draft I'll dodge it.

Iran has the right to defend itself.

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[-] wpb@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Eh, one side is committing genocide, has been ethnically cleansing Palestinian, continually attacking neighboring countries, and effectively murdering gay people as well (do you think the 2000 pound bombs make an exception for gay people?) and the other side is a theocracy with all the flaws that come with that. When it comes down to it, Israel is far, far worse than Iran. You can support parties you're critical of.

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[-] Ronno@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago

Is it possible they are both just very very bad?

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[-] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago

Me when a guy in a white supremacist administration makes a nazi salute and the ADL goes "no, it wasn't"

Me when an interest group which for decades has cried out against genocide and targeted ethno-religious persecution actively and deliberately proclaims it is going to eliminate an entire ethno-religious group from a large area of land

Me when people are defending that

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Me when people are cheering on Israel, a country that literally executes innocent children

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

haven't you heard, Gaza isn't friendly to gays, that's why it's ok to bomb all the people of gaza indiscriminately, including the gays.

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[-] molten@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

L take dude. I'm cheering the trump elon beef too but I hate both those freaks.

I personally dislike it because civilians will die over it but maybe less than if they didn't fight back and show isreal consequences? Idk I'm just an idiot. But fuck the leaders tho.

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[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

It's not so much cheering on Iran, but not giving a shit about Israel. Like, Israel just attacked Iran, they reap what they sow.

[-] lemmycdatass@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 week ago

Did you know you can do both? Cheer the dick holes getting bombed by the dick holes? True story. Cheering dick holes is bad mmmkay.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

me when people like you conveniently start to pretend to care about gay people only when something happens to Israel

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Maybe they are cheering against Israel and not so much for Iran.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

What about Israel, a country that literally executes an entire nation of people, the Palestinians?

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[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Genocide executioners vs LBGTQ haters...

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No sympathy for either except civilians caught in between.

The best thing in this is that Russia may receive less drones from Iran used to bombard Ukraine, so that makes me happy

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