Republicans and Democrats in Secret Talks to Create a Third Party (www.thedailybeast.com)

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[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago

“The Republican Party, as many of us know it, no longer exists,” said one source, who asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”

Translation: "Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I'm personally affected by my own stupidity I want to be friends with Democrats!"

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is a good thing. Don't mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.

Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 2 weeks ago

and reclaim the middle ground.”

Bullshit it's good, it's a farce to make the "middle" somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.

None of them are going "Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders."

They've learned fuck-all.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

o asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”

Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m perso

But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there's 1-2 votes diff, people don't know why they're fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it's 65-35, it's much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I dunno man, that still feels like they're saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of "fuck the little guy" even if they won't outright support fascism.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

100%. And I think such a status quo would be much more easy to organize voters against. Picture AOC talking to a crowd and saying how the oligarchs have 2/3 of politicians in the form of those two parties and we need to close the gap by electing more of ours - 15-20 more. Now it's like - the oligarchs are buying politicians. OK, which ones? OK, what do we do, run independents or primary them within the Democratic party? What other shit can the party pull to fuck us over? Could be totally wrong, I'm just thinking here.

[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yup.

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[-] uuldika@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

third parties just can't win under the current system. we'd need ranked choice voting.

the way forward is through the primaries. that's how we got Zohran.

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[-] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It'll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.

The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).

I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.

[-] girthero@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

They still deserve mockery for taking 9 years to realize it!

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

And for many other reasons, honestly

[-] Brutticus@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Workers need to, not the politicians that made this happen.

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Seriously, more party options is a good thing even if some of them suuuck.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

This one definitely suuuuucks. Just a little bit less than where we’re at now.

[-] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Their "ideals" allowed for this fascist regime to start

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[-] atticus88th@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

They said the same thing after Nixon... and after Reagan... and now after Trump. Moderates will eat it up and we will end up worse on the next cycle of debauchery.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

And somehow, just somehow, his bills get passed.

[-] dmention7@midwest.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

They are concerned, but not concerned enough to risk losing reelection by going on record as being concerned.

[-] Brokkr@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

A real simple fix would be ranked choice voting.

[-] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

fix

Which is why it won't happen.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

After Mamdani, they're scared as fuck of ranked choice elections.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Even though that wouldn't have mattered in his case. He would have won the primary without the need for ranked choice.

[-] uuldika@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

arguably ranked choice gave voters the confidence to pick the candidate that won an outright majority.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They already were. The right has been sneaking bans on ranked choice voting into many red state legislations for many years now.

You may be thinking "how could they convince people to vote against ranked choice voting?!" By piggybacking on xenophobia of course!

[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

I live in uber-blue Oregon and the Dem politicians here rallied against it and got it defeated on the 2024 ballot.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Same here in Massachusetts back in 2020.

It's not necessarily a GOP vs Dem issue, it's dominant parties worried that giving voters more choice will weaken their control.

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

We have it for Portland though! And it's working

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

it's already been explicitly outlawed in several places.

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[-] londos@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Vote blue no matter who, but also we'll leave the party completely at the slightest hint you want to reduce income inequality and fix the broken social safety net."

Edit: Actually, good, fuck em. Why should the left need to start its own party. We're the Democrats now. Any Democratic official who leaves the party for this should be abandoned forever.

[-] thedruid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck that. Dem leadership has abandoned the people. The Democratic and Republicans are finished

[-] londos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Probably true, but it's easier to move into an empty house than build a new one.

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[-] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago

The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs and nothing will change. Anything to keep progressives from taking power.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago

American politicians form third right-wing party.

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[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, nah, we're good dawgs. The democrat-republican third party would just be what the Dems are now - a right-of-center status quo capitulation party. Fuck every single one of you and your mothers. Have a good day.

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[-] ChillCapybara@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 weeks ago

“We need to get back to our centrist roots. This authoritarianism is hurting profits” said the capitalists en masse

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, the Obstructionist Party.

[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

At this point, any bumps in the road to unfettered misogynist, bigoted, surveillance christofacist power would be helpful while the left gets a real party together.

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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

The USA is a one party state, except with typical American extravagance, they have ~~two~~ three of them

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[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But mom says we already have conservative party at home

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Wish they were in discussion to overhaul our fptp voting system. Any third party is doomed to fail, by design, until first past the post is in the rear view mirror.

[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Good luck to find enough politicians deciding to vote yes for a change to presidential elections electoral system

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[-] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Even if some unholy combo of the right and the slightly less right us what we wanted, this is literally just plotting for the spoiler effect

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Should’ve pushed for ranked choice voting when they had the chance.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, great. That's what we want. A third party that's also right-of-center. Yay.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

The article doesn't name names and only mentions "centerists." Those can all fuck off and make their own party. It will split the republican votes the most.

[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Republicans is more cultish then democrats. Democrats politician would be more open to a third party

[-] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It'll be hard for Democrats to decide between the existing center-right capitalist status quo party and the new center-right capitalist status quo party. Meanwhile most Republicans just know they love fascism.

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Center right and far right party join together, to create the right party

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