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Trump is probably on the list, so he has to protect that. The Democrats had it during their entire presidency; even if they didn't want turmoil during their time in office, they could have released it after their presidential defeat and before Trump took office.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

For the same reason Republicans haven't released the Epstien client list. Many of them and their donors are on the list.

[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 3 points 7 hours ago

Checkout this podcast which has an interesting take on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o069oHLvDkg

Basically, they conclude that we all know who is implicated already and this is just a lot of meaningless distraction. They go on the point out that people from both parties are involved, and that even know we know by in large there has been no consequences and there is unlikely to be any.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago

The boring answer: criminal investigative files generally aren't released, so they're compiled in a way that mingles information about victims with information about suspects and witnesses and others potentially involved in criminal activity, intentionally or unwittingly, directly or tangentially.

If you want to export a list of all names in the files, you'll want to filter out victims for sure, and probably mere witnesses. You definitely don't want to out informants and make them vulnerable to retaliation.

So most law enforcement agencies simply will keep everything secret. The idea of releasing names from the file was unusual, and it's not surprising that Trump's own people refused to follow through, especially when it's highly likely that Trump was in that list of names.

[-] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 5 points 23 hours ago

Because it isnt a list of sex offenders. Its a list of contacts, clients, whatever. Just having a name on a list from Epstein doesn't mean anything beyond being suspicious. It doesn't prove anything by itself. But the public doesn't care about that. So the people on that list need to be protected, they are innocent until proven guilty. You can't and shouldn't want to make it public.

There is no deep conspiracy necessary. Although powerful people are implicated due to being on the list, or actually did things that are fucked up. The fact none of it got public isnt proof of conspiracy, rather of a functioning legal system. And it wouldnt surprise me if these papers simply never got handed over to any politician, despite their claims.

And them asking stupid questions like 'hand me over the list of child molesters that epstein made'...which doesn't exist. Lets not forget that most of these Trumpets are exceedingly dumb.

[-] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 3 points 7 hours ago

The justice system is working as intended. Working people are disenfranchised. The powerless create myths when the system can't be criticized. We are all dumb, but power belongs to the owning class.

[-] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

Because many of them are probably in it too. While they play to hate each other. In the words of George Carlin, " They are all in a club and you will Never be a part of it."

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

Small correction, but you're otherwise absolutely correct. 😘

[-] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanks. Edit. Just reminds me of Jimmy Carter's funeral where Trump and Obama where being rather buddy buddy. Same with Bush.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago

Because wealthy and powerful degenerates on both sides of the aisle are on the list.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

One of the few times "both sides" is not only accurate but appropriate.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Maybe it's accurate more than you think

[-] admin@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago

If people can come together on this, it could be the moment the USA tears down the entire establishment and probably gets rid of the two-party system.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

God I wish I had that naive enthusiasm still.

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[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Sadly, that won't happen if both D's and R's have people or large financial supporters on the list. Best case I can imagine is that those top people end up in jail which shakes up both parties. The 2 party system is a result of our voting system (winner takes all for most positions), so it's bad to have a 3rd party similar to your own (which gets your own voters potentially siphoned off), or have be a 3rd party similar to another party (which means you're weakening the party closest to your own, and helping the party most different from yours). regardless of whether it affects the 2 party system, getting that list published is important for justice.

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Mutually assured destruction is my likely guess. If the list came out, I imagine there would be massive casualties on both sides.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

Good. They should be destroyed.

[-] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately the people making that call are largely people that are on that list or closely connected to people that are.

[-] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That's kills me inside..like I grew up being told, "Don't cover for your friends if they do something stupid." I learned that includes things like rapes and assault, or child molestation or anything that proves they are not a good person.

How is it that so many people in power don't have that type of mentality? How is it that somehow none of em, not one, has the balls to actually stand up and say, "A, B, ans C have done this and this and that."

I'm lost for words on how to describe my feelings towards the Democrats that let this through.

[-] locuester@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Because information is power. They can use knowledge of another’s wrongdoings to buy support for things.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.

[-] sgtlion@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

It's a big club, and you ain't in it. And the whole club is on the list.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 day ago

You think none of them are on the list too?

[-] ComRed2@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

Because It's one big club that's playing theater for the masses. They're all on the fucking list.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago

Democrats are on the list.

[-] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Because I suspect most of the rich and famous are on that list and both (dems and rep) are now blackmailing the people on the list for money.

This is the answer

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Same reason

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

because there most likely was no magic client list, as evidenced by the fact that the republicans are desperate to put out the fire they started pushing conspiracy theories now that they're in power.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tbh, probably because a lot of their donors are on the list. Also, Bill Clinton. And probably several other Democrats.

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[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

You need to stop seeing them as different groups.

[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Its more clear than ever. I don't understand how more people don't see it atleast amongst those who follow politics like this.

[-] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

One side plays the good guys and one plays the bad guys. When the curtains close they shake hands and hang out together.

[-] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago
[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

ongoing investigation, they still cling to norms. even if pedophilia wasnt bipartisan they wouldnt have released it.

they also could've dismantled ICE but they like fascism.

[-] mendiCAN@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

more then likely cuz there were more then a few D politicians n definitely Democratic donors on that list.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

lol you think bill gates and his friends would allow their pet democrats to do a thing? lol

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

The obvious answer is that the Clintons are heavily implicated, but in a more general sense, the point of blackmail is to extort someone into doing something on the condition that you don't release the blackmail. That's why they got Epstein to connect with so many academics, celebrities, and other public figures. If they were to just release the blackmail, it would lose intelligence agencies all their leverage.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

The same reason every politician and government will never release them, because they are trying to protect themselves or someone else. As long as money and power remain the only things politicians care about this will never get released. And I find it absolutely infuriating that these people will always prioritize reputations over the literal r*ping of children. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people just blatantly getting away with it because apparently every single elite is in on it.

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[-] TheDarkestShark@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I think a lot of people are missing a crucial point about Epstien, his ties to Israel. Our government may have a list but it is not theirs to release.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 day ago

The blind support US provides for the genocide makes me wonder if Israel is the one with all the kompromat everyone says Russia has

Or maybe they both do

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Democrats had it during their entire presidency

Specificity is the path to the truth. People call out for "the list", but don't seem to know exactly what this is. Given that all this activity is illegal, there's little point in storing a list of illegal sex clients in QuickBooks.

Instead, the closest thing would probably be a contact list, with people who were in on it and not mixed in. Prosecutors definitely have such a list, as it was shown in court - exhibit "GX52". This list was partly shown in the Maxwell trial, but also sealed by the judge - not Democrats. Supposedly it contains "many, many, many, many names" including some with "massage at Palm Beach".

Now you could say, why didn't Biden tell the DOJ to release that list. Probably for the same reason he didn't tell them to drop the prosecution of Hunter, which he later pardoned him for. Be cynical as you want about the separation of the DOJ and the president, (which Trump has consistently ignored) Biden did make a show of upholding it. And releasing the list to embarrass Trump would be a pretty blatant violation of that principle. It would also probably violate the seal order, making DOJ attorneys vulnerable to contempt.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Surprised nobody leaked it

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

They belong to intelligence

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