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One of the most popular VTubers in the world, ironmouse, has officially announced that she has left her talent agency, VShojo, and is taking some form of legal action against the company due to a number of reasons, including the alleged withholding of funds to herself and charity organizations.

According to Ironmouse, VShojo was misleading her for the last several months, largely around monetary compensation owed to her and her charity of choice for numerous fundraising events, the Immune Deficiency Foundation.

Why is Ironmouse Leaving VShojo?

“I believe I am owed a significant amount of funds which I have not been paid,” Ironmouse said. “And, most importantly, the thing that hurts me the most is that the Immune Deficiency Foundation, which is the most important charity for me and also the reason I am here today, is owed over half a million dollars from VShojo.”

Ironmouse goes on to say that it is important for her to be honest with her community about everything going on, especially as it could impact things moving forward, but she can’t speak more on the deeper issues behind her decision on instruction from her attorney as legal procedures continue moving in the background. Though, she does promise to one day reveal the whole story when she is able to do so.

While she can’t go into further specifics about the reasons for her departure, ironmouse did elaborate on her time with VShojo, the pressure placed upon her to help the company succeed, and other thoughts in her announcement video. This includes noting that she felt “guilt tripped” in some ways because she felt responsible for others, including some talent and staff of the company, because of how important she was to the success of the company

Ironmouse notes that, over the last several years, her own content and that of her friend Connor “CDawgVA” Colquhoun have helped raise over $4 million for the Immune Deficiency Foundation. This includes half of her earnings from multiple subathons being donated to the charity from her Twitch earnings, which she allowed VShojo to manage on account of her preferring to remain as anonymous as possible due to personal concerns and reasons.

Her most recent subathon, which saw Ironmouse surpass 310,000 subscribers and set a new record on Twitch last September, before it was later surpassed by Kai Cenat, raised over $515,000 for the Immune Deficiency Foundation. Unlike with her 2023 subathon, however, Ironmouse says that VShojo did not send the payment through to the charity almost a year later.

As someone who actively got into VTubing to make friends and X Ironmouse has been among the loudest advocates for the Immune Deficiency Foundation, as it helped her when she “had nowhere else to turn” regarding her own condition. She goes on to say that this entire situation has “broken” her, as she just wanted to support a cause she fully believes in in order to give back to a community that has done so much for her and so many others.

Ironmouse finished the video reiterating her disappointment, saying that she was both “very sad, and very confused” about what to next now that she is suddenly an independent creator, but that all of the ad revenue from her announcement video would be donated to the Immune Deficiency Foundation. She also has plans to do another special live stream later this month to raise even more funds for the charity and to continue to show “VTubing is a force for good.”

“I may not have the same condition as Mouse but, as someone who has had to shelter themselves due to a rare condition. I relate to a lot of what she has spoken about over the years,” Reddit user CatApprehensive6995 said. “Mouse is who got me into Vtubing but what made me want to support Vshojo was seeing girls like me be given support by a company that appeared to embrace that inclusion and flexibility so many of us are desperate for in our lives.”

Ironmouse is not the only talent to leave VShojo this year. In April, Matara Kan announced that her contract with the agency would be ending in May and she would be going fully independent. This was followed by GEEGA terminating her contract with the company on June 27, the same day one of the founding VShojo talents, Zentreya, announced that she would be leaving the agency on July 11.

None of those departures said anything negative about VShojo. Despite that, Zentreya responded to the situation, hinting at the fact that more ongoing issues behind the scenes with the agency, potentially influencing her own decision to leave earlier this month.

As for a potential impact on streaming and esports, there is a chance that other talent will also leave VShojo now that Ironmouse has publicly shared this information.

None of the current talent with the agency are specifically known for competing in esports events, though they do occasionally appear on streamer-centric tournaments and other content. This could also cause future problems for agency-led projects such as concerts, events, and tournaments.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 61 points 4 days ago

That title is not ok lmao

The IDF in this drama is the Immune Deficiency Foundation.

[-] ellieficent@reddthat.com 11 points 4 days ago

Aka: the Ironmouse Defence Fund.

[-] sisatici@hexbear.net 62 points 4 days ago

That is not the idf I was expecting

[-] isame@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

I was so fucking confused 😂

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 56 points 4 days ago

So much debt, debt to the IDF. catgirl-cry

[-] mrfugu@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

beat me to it lmao

[-] miz@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago

irresponsible not to change the organization's name at this point

[-] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

I really thought it was about that IDF

[-] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Why should they change their name? Its the "Israelies" that suck.

~~IDF~~ IOF

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

I disagree, I think its similar to the nazi vs eastern culture swastika. Its like a white person going to India and calling everyone a nazi. If you ever watched one of her dono streams I think the memes are evergreen at this point and if anything it gives more awareness, it forces people to clarify they mean the "good" one which reinforces the other one is bad.

Yeah every now and then someone will be caught off guard and mistake the two, but there is an equal amount of people that raise an eyebrow and go check her out. I don't think its bad.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

these are good points and I think you're right

[-] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

vtubers are... they are not for me. but holy shit this is wild. all support to this girl and others fucked by this shitass vshojo corporation

it's almost like leftists who scream annoyingly (me) about wage theft + fucking corporations are right or osmething

edit: looked at a few more things. god damn the people in charge @ VShojo are so fucked (good, fucking good). wiretap fraud, embezzlement, whatever the legal term for stealing from nonprofits is.... this is going to go beyond civil lawsuits and be federal/california criminal felonies. rob bonta, california AG, is such an attn seeking nerd he's going to be all over this

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Yeah. And to do it to mousey as well. The girl is literally permanently bedridden from chronic, incurable illness and started doing vtubing so she could escape her condition and reach out and build some community for herself.

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago
[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

Damn, Doki is a real one for that

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago

Kson is also leaving apparently due to not being paid. Vshojo is dead

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

Kson, Kuro, Melody, Amalee so far

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

oh shit michi also just announced she's leaving

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wonder if Nyanners saw the writing on the wall when she left.

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

So VShojo is dead, okay. Good riddance.

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago
[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago
[-] Keld@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Screenshotting this real quick

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Repost it to .world and say hexbear admins are zionists

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

I was gonna wait a week and make a post on main about how we expect to be a leftist instance with mods like these (With a clarifier in a spoiler tag), but that idea works too.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

What the fuck is a vtuber agency

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago
[-] axont@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Idols are already for nerds

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

Hey I resemble that!

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Vtubers mixed "idol" "talent agency" with early youtube "content managers" for some unholy reason.

Basically some creeps get paid half of what people throw at vtubers for doing nothing. Somehow they all thought this was a good idea. Despite every one of them being successful BEFORE they signed (seriously I have yet to hear of one of these vtubers NOT having a million+ subs before putting on an anime girl). Oh and they lose control of their IP, so if they leave they lose their character, channel, etc.

I have no idea why you'd sign with one of them. You can easily network already. You can hire people to edit, manage shit, do taxes, whatever. It's cheaper and less predatory then these "agencies". I think the only reason is they seem to be able to instantly get you 1k+ viewers. Which is the minimum to drive self-sustaining growth on sites like twitch. But people already flock to vtubers who network at all.

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

I think the only reason is they seem to be able to instantly get you 1k+ viewers. Which is the minimum to drive self-sustaining growth on sites like twitch.

You're kinda underselling how important this is starting out and how hard it is to get your foot in the door as an indie.

Like sure, you can get play as a garage band in your local pub, but the record label's still the fastest way to get on the radio and to sell albums. It's all the same no matter the entertainment industry, only the industries with strong unions (which is pretty much just anything film adjacent in the West, due to the history of that industry) have strong worker protections.

[-] Starlet@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Oh and they lose control of their IP, so if they leave they lose their character, channel, etc.

This is just untrue in this case

I have no idea why you'd sign with one of them. You can easily network already. You can hire people to edit, manage shit, do taxes, whatever. It's cheaper and less predatory then these "agencies".

Lol for real llike im sitting here thinking "so they pay people to do stuff they're already essentially paying YouTube to do"

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

"Uhm actuckly, youtube is merely a content delivery platform." nerd

But yeah, insane that yt takes half their paycheck, some guy in a suit takes half, then they still gotta pay editors and riggers. Capitalism truly is efficient.

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

I find it funny that y'all don't know that the VShojo vtubers operate on Twitch. Not that that changes the dynamic but still.

[-] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago

I'm not the biggest VTuber lover, nor did I watch IronMouse all that much, but man, is it impossible for these VTuber companies to not suck? Like Hololive hasn't burned or had some major scandal in terms of mistreatment/payment as far as I know, but still it feels like every month a crisis is happening in that industry.

And like, I thought the whole point of VShojo was for talented/popular VTubers to escape their shittier former companies and join them. Like at this rate being indie/solo is better than joining a company.

Hope she gets her money for her donations.

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Seriously, I thought VShojo was basically OWNED by the creators. (I do not follow vtubers other then what I randomly catch.) Did they really just change owners and expect things to change?

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's hard for me to understand the mentality that leads to something like this. Based on what we know, I'm assuming the CEO/CFO/who-the-fuck-ever saw they had burned through their cash, but thought, "Wait, we can turn this around! We just need a little more time! Oh, well, the talents mostly rely on their streaming revenue, so they won't complain too much if we 'borrow' their other income for a little while to make payroll. Oh, and this charity money. And those freelance artists will keep their mouths shut if they know what's good for them." But clearly, if shit got this bad, there was no universe in which they could have turned it around—they were just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. So instead of just throwing in the towel and moving forward with bankruptcy or whatever, they committed a bunch of felonies and ended up in the same place anyway. I guess the same hubris that leads someone to go venture capital and be like, "Yeah, you give me millions of dollars and I'm going to make you hundreds of millions of dollars with the flimsiest business plan in the world" is the same kind of hubris that leads you to commit brazen financial crimes (see: Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos), Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), Adam Neumann (WeWork) et al.).

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

I'm not a lawyer and don't know shit about the financial crimes in regards to this but surely they would be in some deep shit as to collect hundreds of thousands in charitable donations and then not actually do the donation.

[-] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

None of those departures said anything negative about VShojo.

Aren't they contractually obligated? I watched a video about this so take it with enough salt, but I'm pretty sure they literally can't.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

Most likely yes.

[-] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago

With VShojo specifically, I'm not sure. But there's definitely been other VTubers who work for other companies that have openly said that a company sucked/mistreated/poorly paid them.

[-] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

Oh I know about this fundraising. This connor fella did it a bunch of times as far as I know. Is all the funds raised in those events have been stolen by this weird corporation!??

Holy shit its pretty vile

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

We now know they were stinging along at least two gens of talents, at least 3 members each, who hadn't debuted yet.

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