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Firefox is great, that is all (lemmy.ml)

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People ragging on the only viable browser solution we have... Firefox is rock solid, fast, tweakable, and keeps me as safe as any browser and my configs/habits can. I don't care if management eats babies.

I use it on debian with celenity phoenix and a few about:config tweaks, also tweak'd the theme a bit. Extensions: ublock origin, sponsorblock, localcdn, consent-o-matic, containers, keepassxc-browser, and sometimes jshelter.

web browsing: solved

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[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Been using it since it was Netscape Navigator. It's the only solution for me, that has stuck. It's not like I haven't tried anything else like Opera, Waterfox, Vivaldi and a few others. I have never installed Chrome though... Firefox is the only one I feel safe with... A few addons, and a few tweaks, and like you, I'm good to go...

I can see that people really have a hard time when someone speaks figuratively...

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 53 points 1 day ago

what is happening in this post

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

I am so confused right now.

[-] Soot@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't care if management eats babies.

You definitely should care, what a weird thing to say.

I like Firefox and use LibreWolf all the time, but Mozilla should still absolutely get lampooned for their bullshittery.

[+] bubbalouie@lemmy.ml -11 points 1 day ago

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Others have been too nice in their responses so I'm just going to drive the point home: go fuck yourself for equating being bi to eating babies.

You could have said he's a Zionist sinstead. Also his music sucks.

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

hey i can't believe this needs to be explained to you but:

being bi is okay
wearing yellow underwear is okay
listening to techno is okay
eating babies is not okay

[-] Prismaarchives@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

So.... eating babies is different than every other example you listed. The reason most people think you shouldn't care about a creator being Bi, or driving automatic is those aren't moral failings.

Also even the eating babies example sucks as the perceived moral failings also influence the product until the pushback has them renege.

It's more akin to them having weird stalker behavior and then occasionally dropping a track where they talk about how fun it is creeping on folks.

It both is weird and I'd rather not support someone that does it if at all possible, and it also influences the product they are putting out.

[-] Carl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

being bi is equivalent to eating babies

might want to rethink your example there

[-] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Sexuality is not a choice, but being a bigot absolutely is.

[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 day ago

do you really laugh that much while typing?

[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 14 points 1 day ago

Its the company that sucks. It just sucks less than the others.

I use librewolf since it doesn't have all of firefoxes shit in it especially "AI". Them shoving pocket everywhere is what got me off of main firefox to begin with.

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

Using Firefox since v1.0.2 and no plan to switch to any other browser.

All concerns that people have about Mozilla/Firefox, can be solved by tweaking preferences in about:config; nothing is hard-locked by Firefox developers.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

Firefox is the best by far.

[-] Undertaker@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's the least worse we have but it's far from good. Security issues, AI, telemetry and so on.

You gave proof as well as you thought your have to modify about:config and use several add ons.
This should not be necessary except for Ublock and tool related add ons.

Calling something good and ignoring problems do not make something good.

Web browsing: Still torture

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

While I do know the general concerns about AI and telemetry use in Firefox, but can you shed some light on Security issue? Thanks.

[-] RoadTrain@lemdro.id 1 points 1 day ago

Historically, Firefox has had fewer security measures than Chrome. For example, full tab isolation was only implemented recently in Firefox, many years after Chrome. MV3-only extentions in Chrome also reduce the attack surface from that perspective.

The counterpoint to this is that there are much fewer users of Firefox, so it less attractive to try to exploit. Finding a vulnerability in Chrome is much more lucrative, since it has the potential to reach more targets.

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If I'm not mistaken then Chrome enabled Site isolation in 2019 and Firefox in 2021[1].

MV3 itself is controversial[2] as it unfairly targets extensions that block ad - a major source of revenue for Alphabet.

Alphabet has all the money in the world to make a browser as secure and as privacy friendly as possible. Their focus is only on "secure browser" part.

Mozilla lacks of funding (in compare to Alphabet), but still mostly outdo Alphabet on the "privacy" aspect of browser. And, they play catching up game on security aspect of browser.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

And AFAIK, tab isolation still isn't a thing in Firefox for Android. It's frustrating.

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Used it ever since iCab went away. Tried all the rest, they don't measure up.

[-] Hauntology95@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Have you tried libre wolf? I’d heard the creator had lately come out with some outspoken political views but I didn’t actually hear what they were or what they said

[-] monovergent@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I do the bare minimum and I mooch off my friends, but hey, at least I'm a good person who doesn't assault innocent passerby! I don't deserve any criticism of yours, even if it's constructive and to my betterment!

[-] Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My issue is that the theme tweaking is limited even after changing the settings in about:config. I have been trying to set up a retro theme for Firefox, something like Netscape, but the proton style seems to be fairly hard coded into the Firefox appearance. I wish they would make Firefox more visually customize able. The best looking browser I have found that matches my setup is pale moon, but it is slow and doesn't load websites properly.

Although I will agree that Firefox is the best browser outside of looks.

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

you can customize every aspect of its appearance using userChrome.css; it's not hardcoded at all.

[-] Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The theme I am using is coded using chrome.css, but the proton tab style and border style won't change.

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

is it a theme you wrote or one you downloaded? if it's the latter then it probably just wasn't updated to reflect those changes. the tab styling isn't hard-coded either, but it has undergone changes in recent updates and as a result broke some themes.

[-] Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I downloaded the files so it could just be old. The themes were made in 2021 it seems. I do want to say thank you for trying to help with this. I'm gonna use the link you sent to see if I can figure it out.

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago

best of luck! here are some other links you might find useful:

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

I have not left it yet but it has done some things that made me think significantly about replacing it. I think they do need their feet to the fire to stay somewhat good. That being said most every time there is drama around it I find the thing is really not it was blown up to be.

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago

I couldn't tell whether this post was supposed to be sarcasm or what. Firefox is great, except you have to install all those extensions and add-ons and make manual configuration changes through a nerd-only UI in order to get a basic measure of privacy? Um no, Firefox is deeply unsatisfying for those exact reasons you list, though people use it anyway under the circumstances.

[-] o_O@lemmy.today -1 points 1 day ago

I ditched Firefox due to a vicious memory leak which was so hard to track down (didn't register in task manager) that I reinstalled windows before finding the culprit. As soon as I identified Firefox as the cause and then, when I knew what to search for, discovered it was a known bug existing for years I ditched the browser with prejudice.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Mind linking the bug?

[-] o_O@lemmy.today 2 points 20 hours ago

Here is a link to one of the bug reports: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897006

Said report was closed down and presumed "fixed" but I still encounter this issue on the latest stable.

When you know what to search for you'll find numerous users reporting similar behaviour on Reddit and other social platforms going back multiple years.

If I were more invested I would keep submitting bug reports and memory dumps in the hopes that it may once and for all get stomped. But I've made the leap back to chromium and can't justify the time. I realise that this is a major issue but one that only affects a small percentage of users, likely affecting specific hardware / setups. If the developers aren't able to reproduce it then it'll probably remain unfixed.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, that's how bugs tend to go. If they're hard to reproduce, they tend to get de-prioritized.

For the record, I've had similar issues w/ Chromium bugs, which have been really frustrating in our automated testing pipelines.

I haven't run into any significant issues on Firefox (primary platforms are Linux, macOS, and Android), so I stick w/ it.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Arch btw

[+] bubbalouie@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 day ago

Firefox is great. You can use your 'morality' or any other gauge to decide upon any product or tool that you employ. Rock on, I could care less. You can do, or, not do, whatever the hell you want. Who am I to judge? If you make a good browser I'm gonna use it, though. If you tell me how or when to use said browser than you can go pound sand and stick to your baby eating crowd. Weirdo.

Lot of people like to fling outrage and morality around. From their closets. What if they don't eat babies? WTF?! What if my morality says we can only have so many babies and the best way to cull is to simply eat them? Those degenerates at mozilla need to step up their game before I use their web browser, I tell you what!

Lol. Stupid all around. Firefox is the viable web browser, whether or not they eat babies.

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago

the reason people rag on mozilla's management isn't because of anything close to your baby-eating hyperbole but because their mismanagement harms the development and direction of firefox.

we criticize because we care and don't want to see the last decent web browser get canned because some CEO wanted another yacht.

[-] ChanchoManco@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

They know they're the last good browser and use that to test much shit the user base will take on. I love Firefox but Mozilla is just like all companies.

[-] Prismaarchives@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, nothing you said is exactly intelligent, your analogy was pretty horrid from the start since the issues with FF effects the product, and this mostly seems like an incoherent rambling about how you don't like people expecting more because everything else is worse.

If they don't eat babies, cool they don't. If your morality says you need to eat a certain amount of babies and you also have it play into your purchases then it would make sense if they didn't you didn't use the product. That's not a takedown of the idea in any real sense, just you attempting to lean into the fact people wouldn't like someone with that morality.

You're implying the arguments are invalid because changing the condition morality consumption etc changes people's reaction but that's because they find it unsound, not invalid. They disagree on the premises.

For example, you equated bisexuality with baby eating with one of your examples. If someone thinks both are moral failings, and they don't want to use products that have creators they think are immoral, it would be logically valid for them to avoid baby eater produced products or products made by bi folk.

Me saying they're wrong and a piece of shit is me saying the premise that bisexuality is a moral failing is wrong and believing it is morally incorrect as well, not that the idea is invalid if you did accept that premise.

You're also ignoring the fact that many FF complaints is because the things people think they do that is wrong is the features they implement into the browser.

So even if you don't particularly think people should apply their morality in what things they support and blindly consume or use products without care, you would also have to support the idea that people should blindly support products that they believe are actively decreasing in quality.

And viability doesn't mean anything in this race, chrome is also viable believe it or not, arguably more viable since websites assume you're on chromium a majority of the time and some actively have attempted to hinder Firefox, so if pure web browsing viability is your concern you should be championing the cause of Google Chrome.

I use a FF fork and have never really had an issue with it so far and have zero complaints, your argument was just so incoherent and has so many weird assumptions I don't know how you arrived at the stance you did besides potentially a Mozilla check lmao. But that can't be the case either; if it was their execs would have less money in their pockets while begging for Google handouts and that's not happening.

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