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About 15 years ago I read though everything Neal Stephenson had written. It started with snow crash, then the cryptonomicon, then less popular works like zodiac and the diamond age. In general I loved them all. I stopped reading his books right before anathem came out...

But on a vacation last year I picked up a copy on my e-reader and started it. I enjoyed the concept, I loved the mat-as-philosophy, despite the difficulty getting into it. Anyway, vacation came to an end, I was about 40% through it, and I just stopped, picked up a couple other books, and moved on. No real reason, but a combination of how slow it moved, the extraneous details that seem like they could have been left out, etc.

Well, vacation this year hit so I picked it back up. After about the 50 percent point the book totally changed, as if I was reading an entirely different story. I'm trying to leave out spoilers, but now I am about 80% through and I'm having trouble with what the characters are doing in the book based on the history provided in the beginning.

Tap for spoilerLike, these monks who shunned technology are suddenly flying space suits and plotting the takeover of an alien ship.

Don't get me wrong... I follow the story and the plot tracks well, but there was so much character development in the beginning and suddenly what they are doing doesn't track with any of that development.

The best summery I read by someone on reddit said "what do you think about Anathem? I think it is about 200 pages too long". I'm going to push through and finish it. My e-reader says I have about 7 hours to go and I think I am enjoying it. I just was wondering how others feel about it.

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[-] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

I think Stephenson is a genius but honestly I slog through large parts of his books. He always creates a dozen threads, over hundreds and hundreds of pages, and on the last three pages they tie together beautifully and you end the book with an ache in your heart because of how beautiful it was. Even when I know that's coming I sometimes can't make it. He's like the anti-Stephen King: the middle drags but the ending is wonderful.

Anathem is the exception. I couldn't put it down. It's one of those books that infected the way I think and little things remind me of it all the time.

[-] themoken@startrek.website 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Huh, I kind of think the opposite. I haven't read everything he's written, but it seems to me that he kinda sucks at endings.

I loved Anathem, and when you realize what's going on it's so cool, but then it doesn't explore that idea as much as I want, it just ends without looking around the next corner. Cryptonomicon is a fun, interesting read and gets you worked up about what a monumental shift is going to happen... And then ends right as it's coming to fruition. Even Seveneves had a 5000 year jump and spends hundreds of pages on the consequences of humanity's brush with death... And then tosses in another population with five pages left. I want to keep going!

Maybe I just don't like being tantalized in the last few pages of a book, but I feel like I'm left hanging and unsatisfied, like there's a missing sequel. His pulpier, early novels were much better in terms of wrapping up the story.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

As much as I loved Snow Crash, and got into Quicksilver, I just could not crack Cryptonomicon or Anathem. :(

I should try again.

[-] _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

It's funny... I started Cryptonomicon thinking it was going to be daunting... But I tore through it in about 3 days it was just so captivating. I think I have reread it 3 or 4 times.

I can tell you now, no matter how Anathem ends, satisfyingly or not, I doubt I will ever pick it up again.

I tell almost everyone, scifi fans or not, they should read the cryptonomicon tho.

[-] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yes you should.

Like all Neal Stephenson books (except "The Big U") it is one of the best novels I have ever read.

There are some secrets and reveals so I'll spoil nothing but there is much to reflect on our society today, the human condition, and Hilbert Space

[-] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Interesting that you liked Quicksilver, that's usually the one that Stephenson fans find hard to read (I personally love it).

[-] modulus@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Oddly, I have a friend who's not much into SF but absolutely loved Quicksilver (and the whole Baroque Cycle). She also enjoyed Anathem. But Cryptonomicon or other Stephenson's books left her uninterested.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It reminded me of The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles by Robert Anton Wilson which I absolutely love.

RIP RAW. :(

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Historical_Illuminatus_Chronicles

[-] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

9 days after my son was born his umbilical stump fell off and I could not help lament to my wife that he was no longer eligible for the 100-year gate

[-] Nemoder@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I've read it twice and enjoyed it both times. It has some slow parts for sure, especially at the start, but it does setup the framework for how the characters view the outside world which I find really fascinating.

*Edit:
I think it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking of them as monks who only follow faith and prohibit secular technology but the whole point is that they are enclaves of philosophers and mathematicians. It's like refusing to use a calculator in order to train your mind to better work with numbers. If you did that you wouldn't be confused by finally using a calculator, its use would be simple and obvious.

[-] Eq0@literature.cafe 2 points 3 days ago

Your edit is spot on. They are not monks, they are academics! They have some reference figures that planned and organized their daily life, so it seems monk-like compared to our society, but their goal is to expand the frontiers of knowledge in all its abstract forms.

I loved this book, so much more than any other one from Stephenson I read up to now. To me as a researcher, the application of theory into practice felt natural, even if mostly forbidden in-world.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

I really like how Stephenson starts his books (okay, up to Seveneves), but I find they fall apart in the second half. I really noticed it when I tried to reread Diamond Age - the first half is amazing, but the second half feels like he was working through a contractual obligation.

I think Anathem is probably one of his more consistent books: it doesn't trail off like the others. Yeah, it gets trippy, but it's still fun.

[-] modulus@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

I liked Anathem a lot. I think I enjoyed all of Neal Stephenson's books up to (but excluding) Seveneves, whereupon I gave up on him. Anathem is one of my favourite books.

spoilerHowever, it's true that Neal Stephenson somewhat recycles the same themes and concerns. For example, the whole "radioactive storage under an academic institution" thing was used in The Big U as well. The theme regarding Platonism appeared in different forms, for instance in the exploration of the organ in Cryptonomicon. That didn't stop me from enjoying it though.

The whole notion of monks in space seems absurd because of how people see monks. But this is both ahistorical and contrary to the way they work in the book. Copernicus and Mendel were monks. And these particular ones were all about learning maths and theorics (physics). They didn't optimise for technology, because they weren't allowed, but they optimised for learning, for extracting information out of tiny details. I think they'd do alright in a scientific(ish) mission.

[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

I hadn't heard of this book. I'll have to look into it. I'm pretty happy there seems to be so much activity in the book and sci-fi/fantasy communities on here lately. Keep it up!

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I enjoyed it, but I took the whole book as an elaborate philosophical joke or thought experiment: “What if Plato’s world of forms was literally another world, and recursive?”

[-] _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Maybe your right and I am coming at it from the wrong angle.

But several side discussions in the book have prompted major philosophical discussions with my daughter... Primarily the one about 3 being a prime number. Is that just how he universe works? Or it only prime because of the way we define a prime number? I think it was like a half paragraph afterthought in the book but it is an interesting thought experiment.

[-] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I really liked it the first time. It's been a few years, and I really want to read it again. Something about learning a weird dialect of English really tickled my brain. Also trying to figure out what the heck was going on at the end of the book was a really fun puzzle for me.

[-] _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

The only thing I figured out before the main characters (so far) has been

Tap for spoilerThat the alien, Jules Vern was disguised as the fra during the mesal meetings.

There was a ton of foreshadowing but I'm still pretty proud of myself .

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

I enjoyed the book overall, but Stephenson really does need an editor. He also loves to do random expositions of the stuff he learned about which have little to do with the plot, and it really reads like he's just trying to show off. I find authors like Peter Watts have more respect for the reader where they leave things for you to figure out yourself, which results in a more enjoyable experience.

[-] modulus@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I get why people say this, but I like his digressions. It's not just a matter of learning something new (though occasionally one does) but of how he uses language to express it.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I find how he expresses it is precisely the problem, it just feels like he's lecturing you. For example, Greg Egan or Ted Chiang are able to work in their ideas into the story itself, so you might learn something in the process, but it doesn't feel like they're beating you over the head with it.

[-] modulus@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

I suppose it's a matter of taste then. I don't really mind the expository style. Incidentally, Greg Egan is also one of my favourites, and I'd say he does use some amount of exposition, for example in Diaspora, or the Orthogonal Series (amazing work).

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I agree, it's definitely a matter of taste. For me, the way Egan works exposition in tends to be fairly integral to the story itself, where with Stephenson it often feels like an aside. Incidentally, Diaspora is one of my all time fav books, it's just so packed with great ideas, and one of the few novels that actually deals with transhumanism in an plausible way.

[-] giacomo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

i really enjoyed Anathem. the only other Stephenson books ive completed were Seveneves and Polostan, which I also liked but not at much as Anathem. i couldn't get into snowcrash on my first attempt for some reason, first few chapters just didnt vibe with me.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

I absolutely loved this book. I loved the beginning as well and didn't think it was too long.

[-] qbus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I think seveneves is the best but some of his books just drag fall, dodge in hell

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