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[-] LyD@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

"ackshually mobile games don't count as real games 🤓" - lemmy users

"women avoid me 🤓" - same lemmy users

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

“ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓”

Yeah, that is pretty much true. Or at least you should consider the difference between the types of gaming cultures.

Mobile games: There are several studies out about mobile games and the tactics used to keep you playing. This is a very significant difference, as many are pay to win or as a vehicle for ads, so they are designed to keep you playing rather than an end goal. They are convenient and easy to pick up and often used to "kill time".

Studies have shown a correlation between frustration, loneliness, unsocial behaviours in both sexes for mobile games. In the article they said the women felt guilt and shame, but mobile gaming studies show they are not alone. Although many studies suggest that women play more of these types of games then men, which skews the results.

So I think it is a valid to question the title that uses the phrase "gaming culture" when there is very little "culture" in psychologically driven revenue generators.

Like this comment on hacker news: “...boatload of psychological exploitation tricks that we used to keep people playing (and paying). The game mechanics were literally a rigged slot machine. The meta-game was designed to constantly tantalize you with something just out of reach.”

Just like gambling addiction, a constant dopamine machine will make people feel guilty, irritable, and depressed.

[-] LyD@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

cool opinion, can you run it through one more time and ask for bullet points so I don't have to read it?

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Implying I used AI? I did not. You should know that, the grammar is not very good and I rambled a bit.

The only thing I did do was use duckduckgo to get the quote right if it wasnt as I remembered it.

So do you have anything to say or did you just want to whine about AI?

[-] LyD@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I couldn't believe that someone would reply to my stupid comment with that many words so I didn't read it.

You saw something about women and video games that you could not tolerate, so you constructed a chain of "logic" that:

  • gatekept gaming and gaming culture
  • tried to remove gender from the equation
  • shifted the blame away from something you like (gaming culture)
  • shifted the blame onto something you don't like (mobile games)
  • displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming

You're so smart to realize that this is a simple phenomenon with a neat, tidy, and convenient explanation that doesn't offend any gamers who don't like women.

Typical Reddit playbook. I wish your comment was AI.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

You didn't read it. A couple of sentences. Wow. I wrote it for a reason.

Then you made up a bunch of things to claim I was doing, for who knows why.

So, ok you don't read, you have some weird agenda to have a gotcha moment, you completely dont get why there is a huge difference in the psychology of mobile games then other games, and have no intellectual interest in understanding any of this.

Like you said it was a stupid comment, I guess. I was only hoping to address why that article could have had a lot more to say, and ended up missing the mark.

displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming

Ok enlighten me. I asked a couple of women to read what you wrote, and they find it funny, and disapointing. "what the fuck is he going on about"!

[-] LyD@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

cool story bro

this research is about you

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I don't think you know what research means.

You are aggressively trying to project.

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 108 points 4 days ago

This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You'll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It's just one joke, over and over again. I'm a guy, but one of the reasons I stopped going to lan parties was hearing this same few jokes again and again whenever a woman showed up. If it wasn't a woman, it would be something else from the limited number of topics and opinions they had. When it wasn't frustrating, it was simply boring.

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 53 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I only ever really saw the clsssic toxic gamer behavior flourish once most games switched from having private dedicated servers ran by the players that almost always had an admin present to handle toxicity to unmoderated developer hosted servers no players have any bit of control over.

Wild how removing people who managed the player's behavior makes the bad behavior intensified.

[-] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Confirmed. Counterstrike specifically was very inclusive and very open to most players of all ages, demographics, and skill ranges especially compared to other shooters of the 00's. Then matchmaking and eventually premier got introduced and any chance of moderating the community died and here we are today.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

matchmaking killed the fun in so many ways. cs got tryhardy and toxic, but so many multiplayer games are now insufferable because of matchmaking and agressive monetization.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

But if you just treat them like normal you can make some good friends. I had a group of women I played CS with for quite a while after playing with them as a random and just treating them like regular people for once.

It takes absolutely nothing to just not act like you're amazed at talking to a woman. They're just people trying to have fun in the game, just like you and every other teammate you've had. Don't treat them any differently.

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago

I’m not into gaming, but my wife used to be into it. When we were dating, we’d play call of duty together (side-by-side consoles). She’d get on voice chat, get teased a bit by teenage boys, and then proceed to utterly destroy them. Sometimes they’d scream and curse, accuse her of cheating, accuse her of having a guy play for her (lol her man sucks at this), and so on. She’d just mock them, call them horrible names, and then specifically target and spawn camp the little shits until they rage quit.

It was fucking awesome, and it was alway a laugh riot for the other (more mature, less sexist) folks in the match. I love her so much.

[-] Wildmimic@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I agree that most competitive games tend to go that way. My ex and I played a lot of League of Legends in a small friend group together (where this did not happen, thank god), and if playing with "externals" it was unbelievable what bullshit she had to deal with. and although most of the time the creeps bit off more than they could chew, it must have felt pretty bad, regardless of what me and our friends did or said.

Anyone with experience in non-competitive game settings to share?

[-] stray@pawb.social 4 points 3 days ago

Folks in MMOs tend to be more chill in my experience. In such a large sample of people you're going to find a few dickbags who think they're hilarious or the kind who will DM sexual harassment, but the majority of people just do not care and are happy to play the game. Toxicity tends to crop up around entitlement to loot and perceived performance rather than gender.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

Maybe in more current MMOs, because back in my WoW days (2013 and earlier), misogyny was rampant

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"Researchers surveyed 1,000 women of all ages across the UK who play mobile games."

Shows a picture of a woman holding what appears to be a PS4 controller.

Poifect.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

I think it's a black PS5 controller. No light.

Trackpad looked wrong is why I went PS4, but yeah you're probably right.

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[-] CybranM@feddit.nu 54 points 4 days ago

Competitive gaming is a cesspool regardless of gender but I feel for women who have to deal with sexism on top of the default toxicity. Hopefully things will improve over time but i don't have high hope for the near future sadly

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[-] msmc101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 4 days ago

oh dang, women have been telling you for the past like 40 years that video games are an incredibly exclusionary space and turns out they weren't just lying??? crazy, it's almost like we should be listening to people when they have problems in a community. i mean jfc people actually needed a study to prove this? ask any woman who's ever attempted to speak in game chat what happens, just ask.

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[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Interesting study. Explicitly about mobile gaming, not PC gaming, though ...

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Dr Seán Roberts, who researches gaming at Cardiff University, said: “When I ask people if they play video games, women often say no. But if you ask about playing games on a mobile, many of them will suddenly say yes. It’s like they have an idea of what a real gamer is in their heads, and they feel like they don’t meet that ideal.”

TBF I don't really consider myself a gamer anymore... even though I clock a few hours a week on the playstation. But like I used to play competitive FPS/MOBA/RTS 10+ hours a week.

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 17 points 4 days ago

How the fuck are they getting shamed and excluded in mobile games?

We need equality in the gaming space.

We should shame everyone who plays games on phones equally.

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[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I don't play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It's too bad there weren't just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it... Maybe?

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago

Do mobile games have voice chats? I've never seen one that did.

[-] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 3 days ago

Given where this is coming from, im waiting for the drop where they blame the tranas community for this. Somehow.

[-] allo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

just like in real life.

online there are the sexual guys who will buy you anything to be theirs.

And there are the annoying sexist ones. I think it often has to do with a primitive feeling in the guy of "there is a female right there that im interacting with but she isnt having sex with me. i am thus annoyed." so the male does mean pokes at the female because it's "her fault" they arent having sex. i've seen it a trillion times. "why arent you MY bitch?" pokes rudely

And lastly there is the good type of male who, just like the good type of female, can have fun with you while playing the game together and enjoying the play; simple as that.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot

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