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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by capuccino@lemmy.world to c/til@lemmy.world

I was into a rabbit hole questioning me about God's existence, debating myself and looking for different opinions of different people, when, sadly, I found that the bible is copyrighted.

You can find the licenses nearly at the bottom. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/es/Hebreos%2011%3A6

It's was sad, because it make me stop questioning me about the existence of god, everything started because I said to me "if god exists, then faith is useless, we need the inexistence of god to have faith", but that, makes me feel less faith

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A particular Bible translation made in something like the last hundred years might be copyrighted. Outside of that, it's public domain.

It's also possible for a newer translation to be put into the public domain by the translator.

[-] DoGeeseSeeGod@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Is there anything to prevent me from calling something a translation of the bible, but really it's just the story of how I think my dog sees me mixed with the plot of fight club?

[-] m4xie@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

If you're selling it for money and it's not clear how inaccurate of a translation it is, that could be fraud.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No. Well, not in the US. Some country somewhere probably has blasphemy law. Not unless you get really confusingly-similar to some trademarked Bible translation, enough that there was risk of confusion. And that'd be trademark law, not copyright.

EDIT: Well, okay. Maybe truth-in-advertising law. Like, if you actively misled buyers to the point that they thought that they were getting something totally different.

[-] Web_Rand@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 1 month ago

KJV is public domain. And you won't get in trouble for pirating the NIV.

edit: on second thought, consider using a vpn when pirating anything.

[-] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Copyrights don't last perpetually, and the bible is old enough to be public domain. Newer translations and editions can be under copyright but the underlying work is public domain.

Copyright purportedly exists to promote the sciences and useful arts. Historical scholarship, and the research into old manuscripts in making a new edition of any old work does have value, and does entitle you to a copyright. However, scholarly editions generally have a shorter term than original works.

The bible is public domain, but there are copyrighted editions. The same can be said for most historical works of note. There are copyrighted editions of Beethoven's symphonies, Shakespeare's plays, and Arthur Conan Doyle's books, despite the original works being public domain.

I don't think copyrights are evidence for or against the existence of any god, or the validity of any religion. The fact that there are copyrighted editions means there is interest in studying the texts, which is true for every extant religion.

[-] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

In Britain, two works have perpetual copyright:

The King James Bible, copyright held by the Crown.

Peter Pan, copyright bequeathed to Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital (royalties only - GOSH have no right to refuse use).

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

Does God own the copyright? He "wrote" it, but he also died. Does coming back to life mean shit to copyright law? Does it matter that only 1/3 of Him died? 🤔

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 1 points 1 month ago

The copyright transfers to his child/children... which is also him...

I need a lie down.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 1 points 1 month ago

Forget about God for a while, and drink a beer in the shower. You'll feel better.

[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Copyright doesn’t make faith useless or disprove God. Textual criticism, archaeology, and science do that far more thoroughly.

P.S. Bibles are copyrighted simply because publishers want to protect their editions. A lot of time and effort goes into it. Source texts and older translations aren't copyright and are freely available from a number of sources.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago

Look into the Gideons. I don't agree with all their philosophy obviously, but they're like the Open Source/Open Knowledge group of the Christian faith.

One of their main things is that they think since the Bible is the word of God, and people deserve to be saved, that it's their job to ensure everyone gets a fair shake at access to a Bible without having to pay for it. You used to always be able to find a Bible in a hotel thanks to them, and they're often at public gatherings handing out copies as well.

I'm not religious, and I don't agree with much of what they believe, but I do think that is an appropriate way to view the situation, that it should be freely available to all instead of essentially locked behind a paywall.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It sounds like they don't have their own translation.

https://www.quora.com/Which-translation-of-the-Bible-does-the-Gideons-International-distribute

Which translation of the Bible does the Gideons International distribute?

Depending on the language, the most currently accepted translation in the language of the print. As a Gideon since 1994, I have distributed thousands of free New Testament versions and placed hundreds of hotel Bibles. Until recently, the New King James Bible (NKJV) was the most common version in English. It is acceptable to 55% of English speakers, the next highest is the NIV with 19%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_King_James_Version

Copyright: The Holy Bible, New King James Version® Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson.

Gideons International, an organization that places Bibles in hotels and hospitals, at one stage used the NKJV translation along with the KJV, offering the KJV as the default translation and offering the NKJV when an organization asked for a Bible in newer English to be used. After HarperCollins' acquisition of Thomas Nelson, however, the Gideons have chosen to start using the English Standard Version (ESV) instead of the NKJV.[10][11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Standard_Version

Copyright: The Holy Bible, English Standard Version® (ESV®) © 2001 by Crossway, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. All rights reserved.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah my point was less about the copyright aspect and more about the free distribution aspect. It's definitely sad that they don't have their own free-and-open-for-all version but oh well.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure the copyright on the KJV, which is obviously the best version, has expired by now.

[-] e0qdk@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago

Indeed -- it is out of copyright. KJV is available for free here: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10 (among other places)

I've read it cover-to-cover (excepting some parts like the census results in Numbers that I skimmed) despite not being a Christian. It is a rather challenging read.

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