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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Fun fact: this comic introduced me to Pratchett! His following quote on Elves is why I tend to find them lacking in most TTRPGs

"Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.

Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.

Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.

Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.

Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.

Elves are terrific. They beget terror.

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

No one ever said elves are nice.

Elves are bad."

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Me too! At 52 I had heard about Discworld forever and this comic finally got me to read Hogfather. Read the whole series twice, thrice soon.

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I'm a little confused what this means, is it saying the fact that the positive attributes associated with elves is a twisting of the actual terrible qualities and that's why no one's ever called elves nice?

[-] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Discworld elves are basically fae, not Tolkien style elves.

This quote makes much more sense if you apply it to the glamoured up bastards who steal babies and enslave you if you give them your name.

They're also interdimensional parasites, which would also be an appropriate description for fae.

(For context, they appear in the book Lords and Ladies — third or fourth in the Witches series, depending on whether you include Equal Rites —, which is heavily inspired by Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream.)

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Honestly Terry Pratchett just went back to the roots with his elves, elves and fae are basically a collection of minor spirits to gods in their own right on a mythological level they also run the mortality spectrum from the being downright nice like the green knight/green man to actively hostile to all humans. Similarly dwarves were seen as mountain gods/spirits, frankly pre-christian Europe and even post Christian Europe was so steeped in animism which is why you get so many things under such weirdly broad umbrellas.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

All these supernatural things had varying beliefs attached to them in different times and places... So there's really a lot of choice as to what to attribute them in fiction.

Norse dwarves weren't necessarily small, elves sometimes were, both were often magical in some way - the words used were interchangeable in some ways.

[-] scratchee@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

Elves are constantly twisting the narrative about themselves, despite all the stories of how awful they are, people struggle to remember them that way. Grandma always said elves were… terrific.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

I learned to use and how to safely handle knives in the boy scouts at, like... 9? Maybe earlier? Less likely to hurt themselves with training and supervision.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

I do worry that the thing people take away from this is "Death is a role model for not coddling children" rather than "Death, due to his odd perspective on mortality, would make a terrible parent".

[-] Dupelet@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

That will be an important lesson

If she can lift a whole ass sword at that age, fuck it, she earned it.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

They only weigh a couple pounds.

[-] Dhs92@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

Do you know how weak little kids are? Most can barely lift a gallon of milk or juice

[-] EffortlessEffluvium@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

They can lift it long enough and high enough to create maximum spillage

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

A gallon of milk is over 7lb

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Depending on the sword, a gallon of milk is between three and six times the weight of the sword.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago

(not disagreeing with anyone, simply making observations from experience)

A German zweihander sword weighs around 8lbs, a gallon of milk is around 7. A typical hand and a half sword around 4, and a rapier can be as light as 2lbs easily.

The issue isn't really the weight though in my opinion, it's where the weight is distributed.

A gallon of milk is concentrated in a pretty small package that you can hold close to your own center of gravity.

A sword is long and it's weight, by design, is usually not close to the hilt of the blade. I'm not 100% sure on historic examples, but I try to keep the weight centered around 1/3 up the length of the blade on ones I make.

Practical upshot is that a lighter sword will flop around and stab people easier than a gallon of milk is dropped due to weight.

If you want a child to be accidentally dangerous, give them a sword. If you want them to be dangerous on purpose, give them a fixed blade knife under 7in.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Unless they are ceremonial.

Giant hungarian longswords, one of them is like two times size of a person_

[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

I remember jungle gyms. They taught a lot of lessons on how to discover personal limits and how to safely exceed them.

The loss of jungle gyms from our playgrounds are - I feel, as just one attribute of many, - directly contributing to our emerging young adults lacking the self-confidence and risk-evaluation skills they require to succeed.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Our 70s playground was fabricated by medieval iron mongers. But we had nice, chunky rocks to break our fall!

We've removed all risk from our children's lives, and then we're dumbfounded that they're scared about stupid shit. Got called "a fucking idiot" on reddit for saying I often skinny dipped in the local creek, and the crowd agreed. Dangerous behavior indeed!

[-] rekabis@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And now that many of these young adults are parents themselves, they are bubble-wrapping the next generation.

Meanwhile, those of us who still remember what it was like to be “free-range” as a child are absolutely confused AF when other parents are arrested and charged with child endangerment for letting their kid walk two kilometres by themselves to the store.

Like, in what brain-dead reality is this a crime??

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

kind of depends on the creek. The one from my home town was full of broken bottles.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It might be better to start her off with a Lancrastian Army Knife instead.

[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I remember my first pocket knife. I cut myself. It was an important lesson. I no longer cut towards myself 😅

[-] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I remember somewhere that nomadic people (hunter-gatherers) would let their kids play with machetes. They would keep a close watch but not stop them. Kids would grow up with many scars but also would learn how to handle machetes safely.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What if she cuts someone else?

[-] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

that will also be an important lesson... stay away from child with a sword

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What if the child can outrun you?

[-] iceonfire1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Then maybe you should have thought twice before leaving them so much climate change

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Well, you didn't leave the house without your sword again, did you?

this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2026
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