I really do not understand his infatuation with Greenland.
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This is acceptance of climate change, in typical reactionary fashion. Instead of doing anything to slow the rate of change and preserve the ecosystem, they want to secure the arctic area for resource exploration and military dominance. Greenland is just a convenient and weak country that can secure that for them.
The reason it is happening exists on a higher level.
They know they don't need it for defence. They know they already control it. They know they already have access to the resources there.
My take is that the nazis behind Trump want Greenland because they're trying to roll back culture and mindsets in the west to colonial mentality, they don't want to take it by force, they actually would prefer it was sold because the idea of a country selling the 50,000 human beings that live there to the US is a huge step backwards. If it was accepted it would push the entire west back into normalisation of colonial behaviour, it is a milestone of establishing the sale of human beings between one country and another. Then they can go further. The nazis have been salami slicing things backwards over time and this is another slice.
Everyone is focused on the land instead of the people that live there that do not want to be American.
This is the first analysis of possible motives I actually buy.
It's a very conveniently small number of people which lowers the barrier to acceptance and lowers the volume of their political voice (the people of Greenland) in resisting it.
Nothing else makes sense. There are no physical reasons for this. They have different reasons instead and we must look there rather than at the physical reasons that we all agree don't make any sense.
This is closer to the kind of strategy Bannon would come up with to move culture and mindsets, I'm not saying he's responsible but I'm saying that it's a strategy people in his kind of sphere would come up with.
I’m more inclined to believe that there is no higher strategy or rationale behind any of this. Fascism is defined partially by action for the sake of action. They do big things because Trump and his base like big things. We’ve gone from political coverage as entertainment to the political actions themselves as entertainment.
I remember when Musk bought twitter and fucked it and himself and there were some users who kept insisting it was some sort of 4D chess ploy spurred on by Peter Thiel
Musk acquired it at enormous cost to himself and mismanaged it but it's not like it hasn't achieved anything. It's the most influential and harmful sources normalising fascist culture and beliefs that exists now.
It's been so long I can barely remember, but I feel as if it was doing that beforehand as well. But that also wasnt the 4D chess thing.
Elon fell ass-first into twitter after using it for some harebrained scam. He was forced to buy it.
I guess I'm just less inclined to think that all of our enemies are idiots. I think there is strategy, and smart strategy too. They don't successfully turn communist countries like Ukraine into what they are today without a solid strategy of incrementally turning the fascism dial bit by bit.
There are certainly bungling idiots among them and the implementation is at times awful but generally there is a high strategy level occurring somewhere among them that we would be fools ourselves to not acknowledge the existence of.
I ain't reading all that. Free Palestine.
Sad to see such an all-time poster dropping a TLDR. It’s a young man’s(14-75) game I guess.
Is there anything more fitting than Europe and America tearing themselves apart over nothing. They ruled the world for a couple centuries and made everyone miserable but now they just burnout fighting themselves. It's like a fucking Stephen King novel ending or something.
Anyways, keep doing nothing and winning Xi. 
They already did it in 1914! And then again in 1939!
So the Danish fools just gave Trump's claim Russia is targeting Greenland legitimacy by saying they sent troops because of Russia......
lmao they're gonna lose Greenland
On the other hand... If you're stationing a symbolic force on Greenland that can function as a sort of tripwire (if the US invades and EU military personnel is killed), then it probably wouldn't be smart to say "this is because of the US, our military ally, whom we want to remain allied to". It's all so stupid
The Lib way to "oppose" Trump is to agree with him and do what he wants you to do, showing weakness, and opening further concessions later
The infatuation is because of the new shipping lanes that will open as the ice caps melt, which will provide for much more efficient shipping of goods. Also Greenland holds vast reserves of resources such as rare-earths which the US sorely needs now that China is flexing its muscle and denying the US access to them for military uses.
But the US already controls both of those things. The US has the mineral rights and the other whatever-rights.
The US has rights to minerals and whatnot, but the pesky local governments keep putting up roadblocks to extraction and development. The US wants total control.
The US does not control the shipping near Greenland. China and Russia are actively pursuing shipping through the arctic with icebreakers. The US wants to put a stop to that or at least control it and extract fees for the usage.
The US has rights to minerals and whatnot, but the pesky local governments keep putting up roadblocks to extraction and development. The US wants total control.
Is that something you know and has articles on, or is that what you're vibing? Because Greenland putting up any issues with US industrial efforts is news to me.
The US does not control the shipping near Greenland. China and Russia are actively pursuing shipping through the arctic with icebreakers. The US wants to put a stop to that or at least control it and extract fees for the usage.
I don't really think the US would be any more succesful in doing that if Greenland was a US territory though. Greenland is part of the kingdom of Denmark, which is a NATO member. Greenland already has US military bases. Whatever legal mumbo jumbo one would want to do to extract fees for shipping lanes through the arctic, are already available. Russia especially, what with passing through Øresund.
That's the thing that's baffling to me. There doesn't seem to be any practical reason for this whole ordeal.
The military argument is complete horseshit. The yanks already have unhindered military access to Greenland. In recent years they have themselves decided to scale down their military presence there to a couple of hundred people at the Thule Airbase. If they wanted to put stuff on Greenland for spying on Russia or early warning systems, the Greenlandic and Danish governments would roll up the red carpet for them.
Regarding minerals, Greenland has comprehensive environmental protections in place to protect the vulnerable Arctic enrichment. Big polluting rare earth refining facilities would not be possible under the current rules. An American invasion could put an unelected occupation government in place that would remove these protections and allow American capital to destroy Greenland for profit.
I think Trump's cognition will be lumped into the Pre- and Post-"Thank you for your attention to this matter!" phases. Ever since he started using that, the posts have been way more incomprehensible and hostile than the ones before.
Do you think Greenland is a Dementia Trump fixation or something one of his nepharious eunuchs are pushing him towards?
Both. I haven't been following it as closely as Venezuela, but as far as I see there are at least four things going into it:
Scheming court eunuchs. Neo-Nazis seem to want to carve the world into three spheres of influence between the US, Russia, and China. All of these 1933-1938 wars are trying to assert dominance in the Americas and throw a wrench in the EU/NATO. A united Europe presents some kind of check on American dominance while a fragmented one is just lots of protectorates.
Trump being afraid of death and using this term to slap his name on as many things as possible. The Golden Dome is as much a vanity project as it is scheming Raytheon eunuchs. Trump wants as many monumental projects tied to him as possible. If the Golden Dome is a multinational thing, it's less likely to be dismantled by the next democrat.
Trump's cognitive decline. I've seen his kind of dementia so many times in nursing homes where the patient is aware enough to stay out of memory care but is starting to lose executive control over the worst version of themselves. He isn't Brandon but he isn't the Trump that could keep himself in check to the extent he could in the first term. He's much more aggressive and demeaning in ways where he doesn't seem to consider what little optics apply to him. While he has always been a vulgar bully, he isn't good at things like nicknames or tearing someone apart now. Now his go-to response for any kind of foreign policy is tariff o plomo with a crude disregard for how he comes off doing either.
Eco-fascism. The right-wing can't ignore climate change anymore, but they can't endorse the things required to meet the crisis. Instead we get an arms race for the polar regions, a war on refugees, and resource wars for anything that can shore up the empire. As Greenland thaws it's a rare earth mineral, uranium, and oil hub. A domestic supply of any of those resources without the problems of producing them domestically is energy independence.
Yeah I think the eunuchs want to dissolve NATO and this is the best way they could think of.
I honestly thought dorks like Hegseth and Vance loved NATO. Those guys hate it?
I get that impression, yeah. They at least view it as a lopsided deal where the US does all the heavy lifting.
I think their ideal conception of NATO is a protection racket where the US just charges countries a bunch of money because it would be a shame if anything happened to them.
I think their ideal conception of NATO is a protection racket where the US just charges countries a bunch of money
yeah, i feel like that's what they thought before they showed up to their offices on day 1 and were told um, no, that's fucking stupid, and they're doing everything they can to make their fantasy real.
I don't think it's that complicated. It's just legacy. Trump wants to have a big thing people can point to and associate with his administration. Annexation of Greenland would be that. He thinks it will be like the Alaska purchase, which is universally considered to have been an excellent deal for the US. It also sets up an acquisition of Canada down the line, as the country would become encircled by US territory.
become encircled by US territory.
st miquelon stands proud as Canada's window to the world from Yankee encirclement
Territorial expansion beyond just in name.
He’s a part of an evil eyes wide shut family descended from vikings that still uses ritual human sacrifice behind the curtain.
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I like the 'after centuries' part. How long does Trump think NATO has been around for?
Turns out Trump has been living weeks where decades happen his whole life.
greenland falls victim to nominative determinism hundreds of years later after people foolishly thought it was an ironic marketing ploy as all of its natural resources become worth lots of green
Taking Greenland will expand 200 mile exclusive economic zone. In typical American fashion if they don't want to make a deal, they steal it uunde the guise of safety (Golden Dome) . I also think American military supply is critically depleted. It didn't need to be. We could have made a deal like China has.
2012 - Dimensions of Oil and Gas Development in Greenland
In contrast to other parts of the Arctic, Greenland has not had extensive experience with oil and gas production. As prices rose internationally and the USGS estimated possibly huge deposits of oil and gas in the waters around Greenland, the Greenlandic government was very active internationally in promoting the hydrocarbon potential in their region.
The aim was to attract companies that could supplement NUNAOIL, the national oil company of Greenland, with capital and experience. While initially they were met with reluctance and scepticism from multinational energy companies, who perceived the investment to be too high of a risk, this changed with the licensing rounds in 2006.
2012 Greenland's minerals loom in China-Denmark ties
London Mining, a firm backed by Chinese steelmakers, is seeking permission to construct an iron ore mine northeast of Nuuk at a cost of $2.35 billion that would be the biggest industrial development in Greenland if sanctioned.
Martin Breum, author of a book on Denmark's role in the Arctic and Greenland's oil possibilities, said the iron ore project - though potentially hugely important to Greenland - was not what worried Western governments, industries and intelligence agencies.
"Potential Chinese control of the rare earth elements in Greenland is scary to a lot of governments in the Western world," Breum said, noting that rare earth elements were used in products from telephones, televisions and hybrid cars to cruise missiles and night-vision goggles for soldiers.
"Rare earth elements are of crucial importance to the industries of the western world," Breum said, adding that China's de facto monopoly on rare earth elements was intolerable to the West in the long term.
2026 interactive Map Shows How Greenland’s Rare Earth Minerals Compare to Rest of World
He watched that new Greenland movie and thinks the US needs it in case a giant meteor strikes.
German and French scientists have discovered the Pillar from 2001: A Space Odyssey buried in the Greenland ice.
The Europeans are all being drawn in by the crescendoing Ligeti music. The US can't afford to miss out on the epochal discovery
The way Trump views everything and everyone around him are as winner/loser, master/slave, dom/sub type relationships. I think he genuinely believes the USA has fallen into the loser nation category hence "make america great again". Apparently his first term didnt fix that. Europe, especially the smaller nations in it, fall further still into the loser category because they rely on America for defense. It's been a long term gripe of Republicans that the USA contributes the most to NATO while Europe with a few exceptions doesn't even contribute 5% of their budget.
Taking Greenland means a few things: securing the future of the USA even when it won't have the fighting power it has now, pressuring the Euros to increase military spending and reduce social spending, and making Trump look important which he likes.
i do genuinely hope he's able to push this greenland shit as far as fucking possible. i want to see the entire world bow down and appease this stupid fuck. theres no way to pretend america isn't the schoolyard bully. there's no denying our evil anymore, and when this guy dies or leaves office (somehow, eventually, maybe one day) we can't go back. there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. invade greenland. fuck it, i'm an accelerationist now
The Greenlanders doesn't deserve that. They literally never did any harm to anyone.
Personally I hope Greenland manages to find a way to play all sides against each other and come out independent, without a comprador government, but with some sort of development deal to create the infrastructure it needs.
We need Greenland to maintain world peace! Even if that means starting world war 3 against NATO to achieve it.
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