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[-] SheepHerder@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Help me out. What is this picture and what should I know.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Bro went to Mecca tripping on acid.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lsd is often distributed and consumed via small paper squares called "tabs" that's made on blotter paper. The paper is thick like cardstock. Sometimes with colorful psychedelic artwork printed on it.

The lsd is diluted in a solution and the paper is soaked in the solution.

The tiny microscopic lsd crystals deposit on the paper. The blotter paper is divided into ~~1cm~~ squares. Correction. 5mm squares

~~Lsd is neutralized by many chemicals , including chlorine (found in tap water) and stomach enzymes. It cannot be swallowed and still have an effect. Unless mixed with other compounds~~. This property was for dmt/ayuhasha and not lsd. Apologies. Chlorine can neutralize LSD and is found in tap water but I can't find the resource for how much chlorine is in an average ml of tap water and how much is needed to neutralize 100ug LSD on a paper tab, right now, so I'll retract that statement until I feel like digging more for the research on it.

To take LSD, a person will place squares (typically one square is 1x 100ug dose) of the paper on the tounge or under it. And hold for about 5 -15 minutes. Some people take more than one. It can't kill you. There is no overdose . But it can lead to accidents in high doses that can kill you. So it's not risk free even if health risks are low.

Also I said ug. Not mg. The lsd drug is very unique in that it has high potency at micrograms. Fentanyl is another drug that has that property . But it is rare.

The lining of the mouth (mucus membranes) allows for easy transfer of the drug into the blood stream. That's true for a lot of drugs actually.

This is why lsd has such a unique drug delivery method though. ~~It can't be swallowed and~~ it should be used in very small doses.

Lsd is also very resistant to degredation. Oxygen, sunlight, and neutralizing chemicals like chlorine can degrade it. But if it's stored properly it can last a very very long time. This is another rare property it has. Many other drugs degrade even when stored in air tight containers in dark and cool environments (like opiates).

It's also clear, tasteless, and no odor.

I'm a perception researcher and , of course, this would be a drug on my radar. So I know quite a bit about it but I'm not a pharmacologist , I'm a cognitive researcher. I've given a lecture on psychedelics. It's a fascinating topic.

Also I'm generally interested in psycho-pharmacology because , well, it's interesting.

If you want to learn more interesting facts about LSD and other psychedelics, ask away.

**Guy in picture has two tabs (squares of blotter paper) on his tongue and is wearing sunglasses because lsd dialates your pupils and makes your eyes sensitive to light.

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

LSD absolutely can be swallowed, I don't understand where all these myths come from and how they keep being propagated over decades and decades when it is a very simple thing looking it up.

Also, LSD is not crystallizing onto blotter. It is absorbed into the paper fibers from a solution. That is not how crystallization works.

Jesus there is more... Chlorine can degrade LSD under certain conditions, but trace chlorine in tap water does NOT reliably neutralize it in vivo.

Lsd is also very resistant to degredation.

LSD is chemically fragile. It degrades with light, oxygen, heat, acids, bases, and oxidizers. What you are saying is the opposite of how chemists describe LSD.

I’m a perception researcher

lol, sure you are.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Incorrect about acid in the stomach. Most DOX and nbome chems are neutralized by stomach acid and during the mid 2010 acid drought swallowing tabs was considered the simplest way to avoid unwanted DOX trips.

Source: the hundreds of tabs that I swallowed and still had a good time

Edit: Tons of chemicals are active on the hundred microgram scale. Most benzos, nearly all psychedelics, a handful of antipsychotics ect. And if we go active at >10mg, which is impossible to dose without a .000 scale, the list gets even bigger. I appreciate the attempt at an informative post but it's got a few dangerous points of misinformation.

I'm concerned that somebody giving lectures about this topic is as uninformed as you seem to be. Have you taken acid? The subjective experience is as important as the objective. It's like listening to my cop uncle talk about weed but couched in academia.

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

I took DOC back in the 00s (on purpose) and it was an extremely wild 20-some hours. Second weirdest thing I’ve done (the weirdest is Foxy by a WIDE margin,) but I still had a relatively good time due to having a great and comfortable set and setting. By hour ten, I was VERY ready to be done.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

I was too poor to care, been on plenty of non acid trips on chems that lasted wayyy too long. Some were really fun, some were abject terror. Never got to try foxy sadly. MXE was the strangest chem I've tried and holey hell, I turned into an interdimentional worm crawling through the multiverse. It was super overwhelming.

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

I never tried MXE! I wanted to as I have enjoyed ket in the past, but the times I was offered MXE, I just eas not in the right headspace/environment.

Foxy is fucking insane. It had the normal visual and auditory hallucinations, but it’s the only thing I’ve ever tried that gave me full on temporal distortions. My partner-at-the-time and I were listening to familiar music. The music would get lower in pitch and streeeetch out, each individual note playing for longer and longer, until the tone went back to normal and the notes stopped being played for so long. When it was low and slow, our bodies got soooo heavy, we would just lay on the floor. When the notes got fast and higher pitched, our bodies would be light with energy. VERY weird stuff.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

MXE and ket are really different. The hole threshold and the visual nature are way stronger ime

[-] daannii@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most drugs/medicines are taken in higher doses because the body filters or neutralizes the compounds so much that only a small portion gets into the blood.

That's still different.

Even if the total quantity of the drug is small in the system once it gets there, it's not the same as how LSD works. The drug, likely because of its similarity to serotonin and size , is readily absorbed into the blood stream and passes the blood brain barrier easily. It is not filtered out to a small percentage of it's original dose like most drugs/medicines.

You surely are aware of this ?

There are very few drugs that can work in small dosages like LSD. As I said, fentanyl is one.

Drugs like DMT /Ayahuasca also can't be ingested unless they are mixed with a maoi inhibitor.

Most psychedelic research chemicals (nbome) are much different than lsd with different pharm and effect properties.

It's possible that LSD is released more quickly on the tongue than nbome drugs. So as soon as it hits the tounge the drug is delivered. I don't think there is research on this. But I'll look into it. I do know that the first trip was caused by a small contact of the drug on someone's hand. That the cleaned off immediately. And it was enough time to absorb a substantial amount of the drug.
I heard women would put on lipstick and smear LSD on the front and kiss police during protest to dose them. If That happened it might support a very fast delivery.
I can't find the source right now to verify the story. I'll keep looking. Maybe I have details wrong. Maybe it was Charles Manson instructing women to do this. Does this story sound familiar to anyone ? I'll have to find the source and verify.

But my point is.

This idea that it's not neutralized in the stomach is false. There is plenty of research on that.

[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

So take lsd and go star gazing.

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, but... it's really hard to stay focused. Everything is kinda awesome to look at, so I have forgotten about the stars and zoned on my surroundings or my hand or a hundred other things. I like tripping in the woods or at the beach best personally.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Novelty is a common effect that people don't talk about much. Essentially it makes everything seem new and novel.

What's interesting is, in the brain there is a specific spike in electrical activity (called event related potential, or ERP) that happens when you look at something new and unexpected. Some call it the novelty indicator. Designated P3a.

You can measure it with eeg equipment (electrodes on the scalp).

I'd be really interested to see if that ERP is happening more on LSD. It might shed more light on the mechanisms of the drug. If it doesn't happen, then it would challenge the theory of what the P3a is.
I personally think LSD has a lot of potential to be used to research perception processing in the brain.

Too bad it's basically impossible to get approval to use it for that reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P3a

[-] BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Honestly, damn. That sounds like a very interesting topic. If I wanted to learn more what resources would you recommend? (preferably textbooks/articles)

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

You know there isn't much in a single location aside from Wikipedia.

In textbooks I've come across , there is discussion of the pharmacology properties or a brief note about counter culture and general effects.

There is limited research on the drug as it's been black listed for almost 50 years and even now, it's primarily only researched for terminally ill people/mental health. Only a handful of those studies exist and none use double blind controls so the science quality is poor.

I myself am not convinced it has mental health benefits due to the way the drug works. It does however have strong suggestive effects meaning the drug itself promotes placebo/expectation effects.

The lecture I put together for my class (perception and sensation ) pulled info from a wide range of resources.

However there is one organization trying it's best to do modern research and they have done some MRI studies. There was also a study on LSD and synesthesia which sheds a lot of light into the mechanisms. MAPS is the organization. https://maps.org/

They have videos on YouTube with researchers discussing the research and studies they have done. But they mostly focus (last few years at least) on it's use in mental health.

The drug property information I know about is mostly pulled from old research from the 60s before the research bans. A lot was done on animals to understand dosage and half life. The cascade effects of how this drug works are still not really understood. We do know that the drug is similar in structure to serotonin. But there are still a lot of unknowns.

Let me dig around for my resource links. I have a few interesting studies I found when preparing the lecture, including the synesthesia one, and I'll organize it all and I'll put a link up to a g drive with it.

The lecture I did was 3 hrs long about hallucinations with a chunk dedicated to psychedelics. It did rely on other lecture materials to understand or otherwise id just put it up. (It was the final lecture for the class so it referred back multiple times to previous lessons). But maybe I can re-write it a bit. I've honestly been thinking of turning it into a video for a while because there are so few resources out there that review it more broadly. And a hell of a lot of misinformation about hallucinations and psychedelics.

Basically this lecture was on hallucinations and the primary causes and how each of these causes relies on the same root changes in brain processing.

For instance. You are driving on a country road at night. Vigilant to look for deer. Multiple times you were sure you saw an animal near the road but soon realized it was a fence post. Or an old glass bottle reflecting your headlamps. But for a split moment you did see an animal there before you corrected the perception.

What ultimately caused that is what causes hallucinations in other situations. Like schizophrenia and drug use.

So we circle around neuroscience, psychiatry, physiology, and pharmacology. As well as cultural impacts influencing the experience of hallucinations or psychedelics.

This is getting long. Apologies. The lecture is 3 hrs and relies on many other hours of information. It's a big topic.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

All this and you don’t even link to erowid?

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml

You don’t seem like a very good researcher.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Erowid is personal opinions of drug users.

I don't lecture about how much acid you should drop or how to prepare for a trip. I give a lecture on the cognitive and physiological changes the drug causes.

I use scientific resources.

Other people are welcome to use personal stories and opinions to inform themselves but we don't use anecdotes in academia because none of them can be verified and are heavily subjective.

Doesn't mean they don't have value. Doesn't mean the information is false.

It just means it's not scientific.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Erowid is personal opinions of drug users.

Among other things, including many links to scientific resources.

This is such a bad take that I again question your research methods.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Erowid is not a scientific resource.

Just because some people refer to scientific articles in their explanations does not mean, it, itself, is a scientific resource.

For instance. What I posted in the comments is not a scientific resource.

Even if I used links to actual resources. The resources are. But my comment is not.

Because it is not verified or peer reviewed.

Opinions, even those founded on science, are not scientific resources unless they meet other standards.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You know there isn't much [references] in a single location aside from Wikipedia.

https://www.erowid.org/references/refs.php?S=lsd

For instance. What I posted in the comments is not a scientific resource.

Yeah, why is that? My link has thousands of peer reviewed journal articles and you have provided nothing of the sort.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The definition of a scientific resource is a RESOURCE with scientific observations and reporting that is peer reviewed or has some official review process like a university website with scholars writing the information that is verified by other scholars.

It's the review process by people who are authorities on the topic that make that distinction. Scholars. Other scientist.

A comment on social media and anecdotal websites hosting forums is not a scientific resource. It's opinions.

As I said earlier. Something doesn't have to be scientifically validated to be true or real.

But it does have to be science to be science.

More specifically, experiments must use the scientific method and specific research statistic computations to support hypotheses which then are used to create theories.

Erowid does not have a review process where a senior scientist reviews any of the things posted on it.

Neither does Lemmy or faceb9ok,

Why is review so important?

Because humans are biased and our own subjective interpretation of patterns and events is not objective.

Just to illustrate some of the ways our thinking and interpretation of events is flawed, see cognitive biases on wikipedia.

And there are way more than these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

And have a look at memory errors while you are at it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_error

Oh and the best one. Bias blind sight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_blind_spot

None of us, and I mean literally no one, is immune from these problems. Not me. Not you.

It's why the only way we know anything for sure is through scientific methods of investigation. And even those aren't full proof against bias.

I'm sorry that you don't like the very basic explanation I gave of the properties of a drug you like. Some how that's offensive to you.

I don't know what to tell you.

I did get a few minor facts mixed up and i corrected them in the text. I Left in the original text and I crossed it out so that people could see I made a mistake and fixed it. Nothing I said was a huge big mistake about the drug. I misquoted the size of the tabs (10mm vs 5mm) and I was mistaken about it being neutralized in the stomach.

My gawd. Lock me up and send me a $500 fine. Jesus.

Maybe reflect on why it's so important to you that your narrative of what the drug is, is being attacked from simple facts about how it works.

Why do you care how it works ? Why are you so invested in this? Why does it make you angry when someone explains the drug from a scientific perspective ?

If you don't want to hear the scientific perspective then just ignore it.

It's what a lot of people do.

[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

How much acid have you taken yourself? Because it definitely works when swallowed.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

After re checking this information, I believe I was confusing DMT and LSD properties of not being active when ingested.

I remembered DMT can't be ingested but I was sure it was true for LSD. But I was mistaken. LSD is neutralized by base not acids.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

You can definitely swallow it

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Your stomach acid will definitely neutralize it. But after having it on your tongue for a while the drug has been deposited into your system.

[-] Viceversa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Mate the first line of that publication is flat wrong

This review is on lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), which has a halogenic effect and is addictive.

LSD is not addictive. I'm not going to bother reading any farther after such a ridiculous claim.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well literally anything can be addictive. People are addicted to gambling, to buying things online. To buying action figures or labubus.

But because lsd does not cause euphoria effects, it's not typically considered chemically addictive. But there is not a complete consensus on this in the scientific community. Because it can still be behaviorally addictive. But as I said. Literally anything can be behaviorally addictive so that's almost a moot point.

[-] Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I trust them on chemical properties and pharmacokinetics

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Everyone talks about the drug part, but not the rest. So, filling in on this one.

The black thing right there is The Kaaba, the holiest place of Muslims. People on the background are completing Ṭawāf - holy pilgrimage to The Kaaba, which ends in going around it seven times in a counter -clockwise direction.

People there normally wear special clothes and chant holy phrases as they go around. For Muslims, it's a very serious and spiritual event.

The dude poses in a way that says "hey, I'm gonna get spiritual with THIS" while completely disregarding every rule about being there.

(Muslims and other knowledgeable folks are welcome to correct me)

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also this is what the inside of Kaaba looks like in case anyone was curious.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It bothers me that it's a cube and asymmetrical inside.

why is the door off center to the wall?! gah.

(and another thank you, never realized there was an inside you could go inside of, I always assumed it was a sealed tomb.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

It's also not a cube!

It is 12x10,5x15 m.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Seems like a nightmare tbh

[-] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

anything more than 1 tab always sends me to the dark side

[-] oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Would depend on the strength of them. "1 tab" is not an amount.

For me, once I got used to it, I've never wanted to take it more than once every other month or so. Feels like I need that much time to put everything back together.

[-] coaxil@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Eh, 1200 mics at the minimum IMHO, step it up

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